In Game Scamming: Let's take a closer look

[Sarge4id]

Yes, I am bringing up in game scamming! No, I haven't been scammed recently. This has been bothering me since I found out about it. I have a point of view I'd like to share with you. We all know that IRL scamming is against the rules but in game scamming isn't. This allowance of one, but not the other left me quite perplexed.

Let me ask you this: Those of you that have bought crates or money from the shop, with IRL money (of course), spent real money to get something digital. Would that digital, whatever it was, be similar or the equivalent to real money? Especially if it can only be acquired with real money? If you bought in game money from the shop, you'd have spent real money. If you were scammed in game and that money you bought was wrongfully taken, how is that any different than doing it IRL? Either way, you're still losing IRL money you spent.

What if the server didn't give you the items you paid for, and this was allowed? You'd feel scammed by the store. Same thing when you used to buy a snack from a vending machine and it almost drops but get caught right at the very edge. I can't tell you how many machines I have beat on the window or tipped side to side to get my snack from. I would swear and say I hated the snack anyways and that I hated the vending machine and its manufacturer as well. "Who the **** would make such a crummy machine and get away with putting it on the streets!?," I would say. Has something like this ever happen to you? Well here, you can put real money into the game, and get robbed or cheated, just like a vending machine robbing you or giving you a totally different item than you ordered.

Now, I understand it being allowed to pick up accidentally dropped items and keeping them. I don't like it but I understand the reason behind it and can live with it. This server seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to make this place a good environment to people and to prevent unfair advantages such as hacks, disrespect, and even profanity. There even aren't any illegal drugs or alcohol on this server like there is on many other servers. They're bad influences right? Banning people for scamming outside the server is good. It enforces the idea and truth that it is wrong and also against the law in some places. But allowing it in game is also telling people that it's ok to scam in certain cumstances. They can then apply those "certain circumstances" IRL at their own interpretation and will.

"Well it's just a game, no harm done. Right?" "Well she's just an old lady with only a few years left, no harm done. Right?" "Just a game" is that "certain circumstance" I mentioned earlier, as is "just an old lady with only a few years left." Because its a game no one physically or (perceives to be), financially hurt. Well the old lady is going to die soon so she doesn't need all that money she has. She's not going to be using it. You see how I justified both acts? But we all know one is much worse than the other.

"Just a game" when it comes to scamming is not "just a game," in this case. If you want to make scamming IRL bannable, good. But if you allow it in game, then make the items players receive in game, bound-to-character and take the option to buy in game money out of the shop. I ask that those in charge of the rulemaking process reevaluate and add in game scamming as a bannable offense.

I know some of you will disagree with me and you have every right too. But I also know that some of you do agree with me so if you do, let's try to cause some change for the better.

 

[DrinkYourMilk]

I understand completely and thought at this thing the same way but, I guess the item has already been transferred from IRL currency i.e. USD, CAD, EUR, etc. and now has the value of IG currency. I think that is the easiest way to explain it unless this is wrong.

 

[SG_Dragonz]

Also adding on to your post, CAD, USD, etc is different amounts of money, so some players spend more then others. I sorta agree with you, that something like this could be unfair, but if someone is dumb, or mean enought to scam, or trust someone, let it happen. I agree it is unfair like I said before but thats life. If they are stupid enough to do it let them.
Any concerns please reply to me. Thanks!

<3 love you all!

 

[DrinkYourMilk]

Also adding on to your post, CAD, USD, etc is different amounts of money, so some players spend more then others. I sorta agree with you, that something like this could be unfair, but if someone is dumb, or mean enought to scam, or trust someone, let it happen. I agree it is unfair like I said before but thats life. If they are stupid enough to do it let them.
Any concerns please reply to me. Thanks!

<3 love you all!

I was just using them as examples of IRL money currency not comparing how much a user has used to buy things.

 

[curiousgeorge341]

I think in game scamming should be allowed even as tp killing is allowed since it kind of adds to the whole apocalyptic and desperate atmosphere of TMD

 

[Sarge4id]

I understand completely and thought at this thing the same way but, I guess the item has already been transferred from IRL currency i.e. USD, CAD, EUR, etc. and now has the value of IG currency. I think that is the easiest way to explain it unless this is wrong.

"I think that is the easiest way to explain it unless this is wrong." This is what I'm talking about. Trying to justify a wrong act by explaining it away instead of admitting the truth, that it is infact not only poor sportsmanship, can ruin the game for other, and dishonest.

Also adding on to your post, CAD, USD, etc is different amounts of money, so some players spend more then others. I sorta agree with you, that something like this could be unfair, but if someone is dumb, or mean enought to scam, or trust someone, let it happen. I agree it is unfair like I said before but thats life. If they are stupid enough to do it let them.
Any concerns please reply to me. Thanks!

<3 love you all!

That is a child-like perception and while it holds some truths, you obviously haven't experience certain things that will change your point of view yet. That's like saying if someone is stupid enough to drive drunk, let them. If someone is stupid enough to rob a bank and kill the people there, let them!

And I guess I'm dumb enough, as well. But let me tell you a true story and see if I can put it in a better perspective. I went to Honduras to visit a friend who is from there and went back to take care of his family. When I would go shopping anywhere, he would have to accompany me. Why? I don't speak spanish. Normally, I would go into a store and since I can't understand them, they would just say "four fifty" or 450 Honduran Lempiras. The thing is, 1 USD is equal to almost 23 HNL (Lempira).

I suck at math and I wouldn't be carrying a calculator around. They were trying to get me to pay them equivalent of almost 20 USD for for a gallon of milk, loaf of white bread, and a carton of eggs. Here I am, another "Stupid American," let's take advantage of him. To avoid this. My friend would go into a store and get the items I needed, ask them the price, then I would come in and pay the "real price" and not the scam price. Do you think it's right that these store would try to rip me off that much because I'm "stupid" to them and I don't speak their language? What if you on vacation and it happened to you and you found out you just paid the equiv. of 5 dollars for a stick of chewing gum?

How is this any different than taking advantage of a new player, like I was when I first came here? I came here last thursday and bought ultra rank. I knew this was "the place." So I invested more and got immortal and bought a bunch of crates. I did ask for the going price for things, and because of my generosity, I gave out duplicate legendary weapons or sold them to non-immortal ranked players. When all was said and done, I had 2 of every legendary weapon and suit of jug in the vault. Well guess what? I died twice losing those items as we all do. So the logical thing was to reacquire them. I spent ingame money I had bought from the store or that came in crates I had bought, to buy legendary weapons and parts of jug armor. After a player sold me two of every legendary weapon, and 2 chest, 2 boots, two legs, and 2 helmets of jug. He said, "oh just so you know, you can get all of these except the legs and helmet with your rank." I asked him what he mean and he told to type /kit and click on the light blue block at the bottom of the screen.

Now you can argue that I should have done research on my rank, but I wanted to jump in there and play the game without having to worry about where my next weapon was coming from after I died. Since then, I have claimed several kits for myself and for people that were nice to me. I still buy legendary weapons sometimes to put more money into the economy. So yeah I had it coming to me and I learned my lesson at the cost of a few dollars, but it was still wrong. At least he had the decency to tell me I could claim these items daily. For that, I applaud him.

I think in game scamming should be allowed even as tp killing is allowed since it kind of adds to the whole apocalyptic and desperate atmosphere of TMD

Now why I disagree with this is more of an honor thing. I don't like backstabbers, scammers, and cowards. To me they are as bad as thieves. I absolutely hate it when I ask who did something and everyone is too afraid to speak up. It's like they're afraid. Afraid of what? I call this cowardice And I've seen it everywhere. Even on the battlefield. Cowardice is something personal to me. We lost a soldier because my CPL was too scared to do his duty and try to save him. He froze, got mad, and wanted us to retreat and leave the man alone to die. He told us if we spoke he would make our lives hell and he had the ability to do so.

Of course I spoke to our CO about it. He talked to the rest of us and they ended up confirming events played out how they did. My CPL, my squad leader who I looked up too, was demoted back to the same rank as I was, PFC. The soldier that died was trying to get civilians to safety had volunteered to do our CPL's job so our job was to try and cover him as best we could. When he came under an attack by sniper fire he used himself as a human shield to protect the civi he was trying to get to safety. His mother received the silver star in his place. He still might be alive today if my CPL wasn't such a coward. He's a disgrace to everyone that has, does, and ever will serve. I also don't like people that don't stop at accidents thinking, "The next person will stop."

Even here, I don't understand why people don't say, "it was me! I picked up your duffle!" It's not like I can do anything about it on a non-PVP server, right? And it isn't against the rules, right? They don't even have the guts to rub it in my face saying things like, "I got your duffle and there's nothing you can do!" At least they are confronting me about it. I'd rather have someone mock me and "man up," then to run and hide.

As for TP killing, that's teleporting a player to you with the impression you're doing them a favor, then killing them before they can react to defend themselves, right? That is one of the most cowardly things I have heard of in a long time. People that do that have no skills and rely on that to get kills and loot. You mise well join a non-PVP server. If players are allowed to scam and lure players into traps then profanity and insults should definitely be allowed. They're bad, but they don't teach people it's ok to lie cheat, steal, and betray like the things listed above. These rules and priorities need to be looked at again and changed. What is worse: profanity or tp killing?

We already know all the profanity there is, but do we all think it's ok to trick a person and kill them? If doing almost every dishonest act you can think of here is ok then not allowing profanity and insults is just a joke! They aren't any worse than the other allowed things players can do. If the rules above aren't going to be changed. Then I ask those responsible for making the rules to remove profanity and insults from the rule book as they pale in comparison with other allowed thing. If you're gonna let them do bad, then let them go all the way. That is only fair.

 

[Sarge4id]

Well, it's now become very clear to me I am speaking to the wrong crowd. I should be speaking to the staff and owners but they're too busy right now. Just because a bunch of players aren't crying about this doesn't mean it's ok to allow. There is still plenty of stuff to do then to sit around taking advantage of and bullying other players. And to top it off, you can't curse or insult someone when they trick you! I know that's something you all excel at. Am I talking to a wall, or just myself, or are any staff with the ability to make some changes even looking?

 

[curiousgeorge341]

"I think that is the easiest way to explain it unless this is wrong." This is what I'm talking about. Trying to justify a wrong act by explaining it away instead of admitting the truth, that it is infact not only poor sportsmanship, can ruin the game for other, and dishonest.



That is a child-like perception and while it holds some truths, you obviously haven't experience certain things that will change your point of view yet. That's like saying if someone is stupid enough to drive drunk, let them. If someone is stupid enough to rob a bank and kill the people there, let them!

And I guess I'm dumb enough, as well. But let me tell you a true story and see if I can put it in a better perspective. I went to Honduras to visit a friend who is from there and went back to take care of his family. When I would go shopping anywhere, he would have to accompany me. Why? I don't speak spanish. Normally, I would go into a store and since I can't understand them, they would just say "four fifty" or 450 Honduran Lempiras. The thing is, 1 USD is equal to almost 23 HNL (Lempira).

I suck at math and I wouldn't be carrying a calculator around. They were trying to get me to pay them equivalent of almost 20 USD for for a gallon of milk, loaf of white bread, and a carton of eggs. Here I am, another "Stupid American," let's take advantage of him. To avoid this. My friend would go into a store and get the items I needed, ask them the price, then I would come in and pay the "real price" and not the scam price. Do you think it's right that these store would try to rip me off that much because I'm "stupid" to them and I don't speak their language? What if you on vacation and it happened to you and you found out you just paid the equiv. of 5 dollars for a stick of chewing gum?

How is this any different than taking advantage of a new player, like I was when I first came here? I came here last thursday and bought ultra rank. I knew this was "the place." So I invested more and got immortal and bought a bunch of crates. I did ask for the going price for things, and because of my generosity, I gave out duplicate legendary weapons or sold them to non-immortal ranked players. When all was said and done, I had 2 of every legendary weapon and suit of jug in the vault. Well guess what? I died twice losing those items as we all do. So the logical thing was to reacquire them. I spent ingame money I had bought from the store or that came in crates I had bought, to buy legendary weapons and parts of jug armor. After a player sold me two of every legendary weapon, and 2 chest, 2 boots, two legs, and 2 helmets of jug. He said, "oh just so you know, you can get all of these except the legs and helmet with your rank." I asked him what he mean and he told to type /kit and click on the light blue block at the bottom of the screen.

Now you can argue that I should have done research on my rank, but I wanted to jump in there and play the game without having to worry about where my next weapon was coming from after I died. Since then, I have claimed several kits for myself and for people that were nice to me. I still buy legendary weapons sometimes to put more money into the economy. So yeah I had it coming to me and I learned my lesson at the cost of a few dollars, but it was still wrong. At least he had the decency to tell me I could claim these items daily. For that, I applaud him.



Now why I disagree with this is more of an honor thing. I don't like backstabbers, scammers, and cowards. To me they are as bad as thieves. I absolutely hate it when I ask who did something and everyone is too afraid to speak up. It's like they're afraid. Afraid of what? I call this cowardice And I've seen it everywhere. Even on the battlefield. Cowardice is something personal to me. We lost a soldier because my CPL was too scared to do his duty and try to save him. He froze, got mad, and wanted us to retreat and leave the man alone to die. He told us if we spoke he would make our lives hell and he had the ability to do so.

Of course I spoke to our CO about it. He talked to the rest of us and they ended up confirming events played out how they did. My CPL, my squad leader who I looked up too, was demoted back to the same rank as I was, PFC. The soldier that died was trying to get civilians to safety had volunteered to do our CPL's job so our job was to try and cover him as best we could. When he came under an attack by sniper fire he used himself as a human shield to protect the civi he was trying to get to safety. His mother received the silver star in his place. He still might be alive today if my CPL wasn't such a coward. He's a disgrace to everyone that has, does, and ever will serve. I also don't like people that don't stop at accidents thinking, "The next person will stop."

Even here, I don't understand why people don't say, "it was me! I picked up your duffle!" It's not like I can do anything about it on a non-PVP server, right? And it isn't against the rules, right? They don't even have the guts to rub it in my face saying things like, "I got your duffle and there's nothing you can do!" At least they are confronting me about it. I'd rather have someone mock me and "man up," then to run and hide.

As for TP killing, that's teleporting a player to you with the impression you're doing them a favor, then killing them before they can react to defend themselves, right? That is one of the most cowardly things I have heard of in a long time. People that do that have no skills and rely on that to get kills and loot. You mise well join a non-PVP server. If players are allowed to scam and lure players into traps then profanity and insults should definitely be allowed. They're bad, but they don't teach people it's ok to lie cheat, steal, and betray like the things listed above. These rules and priorities need to be looked at again and changed. What is worse: profanity or tp killing?

We already know all the profanity there is, but do we all think it's ok to trick a person and kill them? If doing almost every dishonest act you can think of here is ok then not allowing profanity and insults is just a joke! They aren't any worse than the other allowed things players can do. If the rules above aren't going to be changed. Then I ask those responsible for making the rules to remove profanity and insults from the rule book as they pale in comparison with other allowed thing. If you're gonna let them do bad, then let them go all the way. That is only fair.

Very well thought out I'll have to possibly reconsider my opinion on this