problems and ideas

[DDoc]

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Topics:
1. HH changes?
2. special staffs
3. allowed and blocked mods



1. HH changes?

1.1 Things that never happened

If you ever played HH you maybe saw a few featured things like /playershop, the Gems or the challenges in the is menu. Isn`t it sad, that in such a long time the new HH season is online nothing happened? Also the mythical chest (got removed) or the strange new black market could get an update.


1.2 Update?

There are many players with more than a million $, giant islands and ennui if they come online.
Also, if you just look to the HH sub website here on havocmc.net (https://havocmc.net/hh/) you see... nothing. Thats a bit embarrassing, especially because even MW has some text on its sub website.
Summarized you can say: Havoc Horizons AND the website in general need an update.
If we go a bit back in time we see a tweet by @HavocMCserver: "We are looking for ideas for the new Havoc Horizons season. If you have any suggestions, let us know here!". There is nothing bad about it, it`s actually quite nice to see that the team cares about the HH players... but wait... this was postet at Jan 16, 2018. So why did nothing happen till now? I don`t know. I only can speculate and say for example: They worked a lot an TMD so they didn`t had time to do anything other than that. Maybe this is true, maybe not, but what really matters are the questions "why were there no updates in almost 2 years?" and "when will there be an update?". Well, why am I so sure there will be an update? There is a big HH community, not as big as the TMD community, but there are people playing it. If there would be an update many old and new players would come back playing with new nice features. So if anyone reads this and has some ideas, just write them as a comment below this post; I am sure if an update is planned staffs will read trough the comments.



2. special staffs

If you played a bit on Havocmc you may recognize the staffs mostly play TMD. I know there is the biggest ammount of players online and the staffs like to help you, but in my oppinion we don`t need all staffs on one sub server. New players maybe don`t know there is more than one server or don`t know how to jump between them and if they need help they don`t know how to get help. So I have two solution approaches:
1. specialized staffs: There are staff members who are online on just one server so all servers have a staff if players need help.
2. staff tags: Normal players who are known for helping people get some type of tag to visualize they have the ability to help. They wouldn`t need any extra commands, just -like said- something to visualize that they can help.
In my oppinion the staff tags would be a good solution because well known for example HH players could get them and on the server they play on (in this example HH) officiate as helper.



3. allowed and forbidden mods

At first let me quote an extract from the rules:
"Any form of hacks that modify your movement. This includes speed hacks, fly hacks, and any hack/mods that give you an advantage in PvP",
"Any mods that help you find other players. This includes X-Ray, mini maps that include players, and tracers; [...]"
And this link gets you to a list of allowed and forbidden mods:

<a href="https://havocmc.net/threads/allowed-mods-list.4731/" target="_blank" style="color:#921313">click me to get to the allowed mods list</a>

In case the HTML doesn`t work click here: allowed mod list


Here you clearly see there are 2 types of forbidden modification types, one which gives you an unfair advantage in PvP or movement and one that help you find players. So basically if these things are not the case a mod should be allowed.

So now... why is the badlion client allowed and labymod forbidden? In my oppinion that doesn`t make any sense. If you say: "labymod has some features like damage indicator and so on, thats why" you are wrong. There is a special plugin (no advertising) called anti laby. With it you can disable laby mod mods on your server, for example the damage indicator.
If you want to convince yourself, here is the plugin (again, this is no advertising, I just want that everyone is allowed to play on that server with his/her favourite mod(if it is without any hack client features)):

<a href="[/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=5][SIZE=4][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=5][SIZE=4][SIZE=5][SIZE=4][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=5][SIZE=4]https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/antilaby-1-8-1-12-2-disable-labymod-functions.21347/
" target="_blank" style="color:#921313">click me to get to the plugin on spigot</a>

In case the HTML doesn`t work click here: anti laby plugin


If anti laby is used, labymod doesn`t give you any unfair advantage in PvP, thats also why the mod is allowed (as far as I know) on all german servers.
In case you think you can modify labymod, so you can use it as hack client you are right. If thats why labymod is forbidden you should forbid all minecraft modifications. Here is a little example: the badlion client is allowed on this server. There are modificated free badlion hack clients, so why is it allowed?


I hope you think about this text and maybe something gets a change.
Have a nice day
~Dr_lolig

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

1. HH changes?

In one of the more recent update posts (can't remember if it was from Jacob or Ky) they explained the future of Havoc:

-More focus on TMD
-Removal of MW
-Renewal of MM
-Brakes on HH

It said "Havoc Horizons will not be seeing anymore updates" for the time being. I will try to find the thread and post the link. But yeah, HH is not a priority anymore, and is more of just a casual play thing.

2. special staffs

I have a few criticisms here:
1) From what I experienced, all staff members are required to moderate with as much of a well-rounded schedule as possible (some time here, some time there). Having "specialized" staff per server is ultimately useless when you consider how many people actually play the other sub-servers. Example, Havoc does not NEED a staff on HH constantly-- it's by far the tamest sub-server next to MM. Besides, its playercount is superseded by TMD's, and, well, TMD is the main gamemode of Havoc. That's another reason there shouldn't be "special" staff; there's just not enough players for it. Billy the Helper might be stuck in MM which barely gets over 10 players on a good day, and even then, the chat is almost always dead. It's so much easier for, say, SnakeFangs, to pop on over to MM real quick and deal with a situation then go back to TMD (that's why we have /staff).
2) Players with special help tags is kinda ridiculous. Seems like a neato idea, but again, ultimately useless. If there are other players on, just ask them a question. Heck, you could even /staff and ask for some help. Better yet, take 3 minutes to pop on over to another sub-server and ask someone there. I just think that it's a bit of a mess and too hard to manage.

3. allowed and forbidden mods

This seems reasonable enough. I agree; Havoc, just get the LabyMod thingy and you wont have to worry about it anyway. Most people legit ONLY use it for the cosmetics.

That's all I got, have a nice day.

 

[DDoc]

In one of the more recent update posts (can't remember if it was from Jacob or Ky) they explained the future of Havoc:

-More focus on TMD
-Removal of MW
-Renewal of MM
-Brakes on HH

It said "Havoc Horizons will not be seeing anymore updates" for the time being. I will try to find the thread and post the link. But yeah, HH is not a priority anymore, and is more of just a casual play thing.

I have a few criticisms here:
1) From what I experienced, all staff members are required to moderate with as much of a well-rounded schedule as possible (some time here, some time there). Having "specialized" staff per server is ultimately useless when you consider how many people actually play the other sub-servers. Example, Havoc does not NEED a staff on HH constantly-- it's by far the tamest sub-server next to MM. Besides, its playercount is superseded by TMD's, and, well, TMD is the main gamemode of Havoc. That's another reason there shouldn't be "special" staff; there's just not enough players for it. Billy the Helper might be stuck in MM which barely gets over 10 players on a good day, and even then, the chat is almost always dead. It's so much easier for, say, SnakeFangs, to pop on over to MM real quick and deal with a situation then go back to TMD (that's why we have /staff).
2) Players with special help tags is kinda ridiculous. Seems like a neato idea, but again, ultimately useless. If there are other players on, just ask them a question. Heck, you could even /staff and ask for some help. Better yet, take 3 minutes to pop on over to another sub-server and ask someone there. I just think that it's a bit of a mess and too hard to manage.

This seems reasonable enough. I agree; Havoc, just get the LabyMod thingy and you wont have to worry about it anyway. Most people legit ONLY use it for the cosmetics.

That's all I got, have a nice day.

Thank you for saying your opinion to these things, I appreciate it. Yea, I agree, point 2 isn't that good at all but I thought maybe there could a way to help new players a bit. It's sad that they don`t care about HH anymore, but maybe in the future, if many people request it there will be an update(I really hope so).

 

[JT900]

HH is not a priority anymore, and is more of just a casual play thing.

HH was never a priority. Lol
It's the new MW in terms of updates.

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

HH was never a priority. Lol
It's the new MW in terms of updates.

Yeah, it was explicitly said that it wouldn't receive anymore updates. At least it's functional and was CLEARLY stated that it would be stagnant for the time being.