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[Kiverient]

Okay... I don't really care I've been banned for an hour... But I do care about is... I ONLY GOT ONE WARNING! You need to get some good staff to be a good server... I only got one warning for "Disrespect" (Which all I did was cuss like four times about a person but not to that persons face... aka shouldn't be disrespect) then I call out that helper on team chat... THEN HE BANS ME WTH!!!!!!! IT SHOULD BE TWO WARNINGS THEN A ONE HOUR BAN!!!! I HAVE FRIENDS WHO HAVE 30+ WARNINGS AND HAVEN'T BEEN BANNED YET!!!!!!! BE CONSISTENT ATLEAST!!!! Please... I've spent $150+ on this server and don't want it to be bad... But it is with this staff group right now...

 

[Wavy_Buster]

Alright Kiv, I've gotta tell you about this.

In the staff policy, if a person breaks the "Disrespect" rule, they get a warn for Disrespect, if they continue doing so even after they have received the warn, it will be a tempmute varying from 10-30 minutes. If they persist even while muted, they get a ban for as long as an hour. As in your case, you started cursing at the person, you ignored the warn and continued cursing even while muted, therefore, the ban. For now, I'd suggest you'd wait this ban out and think of your previous actions, hopefully you'll learn from your mistakes and not repeat this issue in the future.

-Wavy

 

[Kiverient]

Alright Kiv, I've gotta tell you about this.

In the staff policy, if a person breaks the "Disrespect" rule, they get a warn for Disrespect, if they continue doing so even after they have received the warn, it will be a tempmute varying from 10-30 minutes. If they persist even while muted, they get a ban for as long as an hour. As in your case, you started cursing at the person, you ignored the warn and continued cursing even while muted, therefore, the ban. For now, I'd suggest you'd wait this ban out and think of your previous actions, hopefully you'll learn from your mistakes and not repeat this issue in the future.

-Wavy

Okay I understand that. But why can some of my friends cuss in every sentence (With staff online) and never get warned? This is why I created this thread. I cuss some times in team chat and don't get warned. I cuss at somebody (Who's not even online anymore so cant see it) and get warned. In team chat I cuss at people probably once a day, and don't get warned (Again with staff online)... All I can say... INCONSISTENT!!!!

 

[Katitude]

Okay I understand that. But why can some of my friends cuss in every sentence (With staff online) and never get warned? This is why I created this thread. I cuss some times in team chat and don't get warned. I cuss at somebody (Who's not even online anymore so cant see it) and get warned. In team chat I cuss at people probably once a day, and don't get warned (Again with staff online)... All I can say... INCONSISTENT!!!!

Technically you are permitted to swear as long as it is censored by the filter, isn't extremely excessive, and doesn't create any chat/server offenses. Disrespect is a chat offense, and you cursed in a way that broke the rules, if that makes sense to you.
Now this is from my common sense perspective but why would you be mad for disrespecting a person and getting punished for it? (Rhetorical question) You don't need multiple warnings, one should be enough. When you are issued a warning, it doesn't mean you should do it again, it is a warning stating your punishment will have a more severe consequence if it continues because you shouldn't even be breaking the rules in general. Warns issued go on your record; they affect Helper applications, add on to the amount of warns in a certain time period, which leads to a perm mute , etc. Furthermore, I have a feeling that your definition vs my definition of being "called out" is quite different and most people who "call out" is someone wanting attention, or they are being rude because someone did something that the person calling out doesn't like. Most people, and this can be somewhat immature for some people (depending on how it is said), will also call out the staff member in shout because they didn't likely the fact that they were issued a warning for breaking the rules when you should already be aware of and respect the rules. People will do this when I'm trying to watch a hacker and the hacker knows I'm they're so they turn their client off. For Helpers, you just add an unnecessary argument or rude convo because you're upset. Some people will get their friends to come on and get mad with them but the thing is, when you're warned for something valid, you stay warned. If you believe the warn wasn't supposed to be issued, then you can privately message them and politely/respectfully discuss the punishment; "calling them out" is really a call for attention and when you do that, it doesn't show you want your punishment removed, you start to continue doing the offense you were warned for. Once you're banned for it, take the time to realize your mistake and learn from it so you don't do it again. If I start to see the same person breaking the rules, I will increase mute and ban lengths because it clearly shows they haven't learned from their wrongdoings.
Please, follow the rules and don't disrespect people, or cause an unnecessary argument/drama because you couldn't simply privately message a staff and create a polite discussion regarding your warn and ban.
I think-and this is a personal opinion- that you all need to stop disrespecting people whether it be from dieing in a video game, not liking someone else on HavocMC, or just not caring whether you hurt someone or not. Please, follow the rules and if you're upset with how someone does their job, ask kind questions. I don't know what you said for disrespect, so I'm laying out all aspects I can to help you take this as a learning experience and understand the problem here.
1. Read the rules.
2. Do not disrespect players. If you're angry, take a break, get some water, listen to music; find something that helps you so you won't take it out on other people. (Then come back of course )
3. If you're warned, please don't do one of your "call outs" because it accomplishes nothing. (Refer to the text above if you're confused on what I mean)
4. If you believe a punishment revoke should occur from the punishment reason being invalid, privately message a staff member and kindly discuss it.
I forgot to include another topic so I will make it brief. Please do not compare yourself and your warns to other people. You are in control of yourself, and how other people are warned is none of your concern as you are not them. If you are trying to show your warn or ban was unfair, showing someone else's punishment won't help because it's a completely different situation and is irrevelant to you. If you do not like your warn, follows step four.

I hope I helped you, I created a 15 minute response ending at about 5AM just for you. Feel free to privately message me either on the forums or in game of and questions or concerns you may have.

Yours Respectfully,

~Katitude ^v^

 

[Kiverient]

Technically you are permitted to swear as long as it is censored by the filter, isn't extremely excessive, and doesn't create any chat/server offenses. Disrespect is a chat offense, and you cursed in a way that broke the rules, if that makes sense to you.
Now this is from my common sense perspective but why would you be mad for disrespecting a person and getting punished for it? (Rhetorical question) You don't need multiple warnings, one should be enough. When you are issued a warning, it doesn't mean you should do it again, it is a warning stating your punishment will have a more severe consequence if it continues because you shouldn't even be breaking the rules in general. Warns issued go on your record; they affect Helper applications, add on to the amount of warns in a certain time period, which leads to a perm mute , etc. Furthermore, I have a feeling that your definition vs my definition of being "called out" is quite different and most people who "call out" is someone wanting attention, or they are being rude because someone did something that the person calling out doesn't like. Most people, and this can be somewhat immature for some people (depending on how it is said), will also call out the staff member in shout because they didn't likely the fact that they were issued a warning for breaking the rules when you should already be aware of and respect the rules. People will do this when I'm trying to watch a hacker and the hacker knows I'm they're so they turn their client off. For Helpers, you just add an unnecessary argument or rude convo because you're upset. Some people will get their friends to come on and get mad with them but the thing is, when you're warned for something valid, you stay warned. If you believe the warn wasn't supposed to be issued, then you can privately message them and politely/respectfully discuss the punishment; "calling them out" is really a call for attention and when you do that, it doesn't show you want your punishment removed, you start to continue doing the offense you were warned for. Once you're banned for it, take the time to realize your mistake and learn from it so you don't do it again. If I start to see the same person breaking the rules, I will increase mute and ban lengths because it clearly shows they haven't learned from their wrongdoings.
Please, follow the rules and don't disrespect people, or cause an unnecessary argument/drama because you couldn't simply privately message a staff and create a polite discussion regarding your warn and ban.
I think-and this is a personal opinion- that you all need to stop disrespecting people whether it be from dieing in a video game, not liking someone else on HavocMC, or just not caring whether you hurt someone or not. Please, follow the rules and if you're upset with how someone does their job, ask kind questions. I don't know what you said for disrespect, so I'm laying out all aspects I can to help you take this as a learning experience and understand the problem here.
1. Read the rules.
2. Do not disrespect players. If you're angry, take a break, get some water, listen to music; find something that helps you so you won't take it out on other people. (Then come back of course )
3. If you're warned, please don't do one of your "call outs" because it accomplishes nothing. (Refer to the text above if you're confused on what I mean)
4. If you believe a punishment revoke should occur from the punishment reason being invalid, privately message a staff member and kindly discuss it.
I forgot to include another topic so I will make it brief. Please do not compare yourself and your warns to other people. You are in control of yourself, and how other people are warned is none of your concern as you are not them. If you are trying to show your warn or ban was unfair, showing someone else's punishment won't help because it's a completely different situation and is irrevelant to you. If you do not like your warn, follows step four.

I hope I helped you, I created a 15 minute response ending at about 5AM just for you. Feel free to privately message me either on the forums or in game of and questions or concerns you may have.

Yours Respectfully,

~Katitude ^v^

Right out of the rule book.

"Disrespect, Racism or any
other forms of Discrimination:

This includes discrimination
against other players, or
groups of people in general.
If there are plenty of warns
from this, you will be muted
for constant disrespect."

Yes it says this a little later

"You will first be warned, and
if it continues you will be
muted anywhere from 10
minutes to a day."

But why does the rules say "plenty of warns" then "You will be warned, then muted" pretty much...?

I disrespected the player, yes, but no one could see it unless they saw team chat. He wasn't in my team, I never said it to his face AND he wasn't online anymore. There was 0% chance of him seeing it.

I disrespected the player because he pvp logged. EVERYONE has done that before.

I don't care about being warned, muted, or even banned. I care about the server. Staff has been REALLY inconsistent within the last month.

I've seen people falsely banned. I've seen people falsely muted. I've seen people falsely warned. Then later on I see a group of two hackers who I've told helpers multiple times, still there... If you want to go out and mute me permanently on the server because I started this, go ahead. All I'm warning you is that you're really inconsistent everyday that you're on. If you even are. I rarely see two or more helpers, mods, admins, or owners (Any of them combined) as online. I see Wavy_Buster everyday but only him. I haven't seen these staff members within two weeks...

Owners:

• _Nickk
• Jacobg2011
• IgnitingIce

Admins:

• Strikefire150
• NHFLX

Mods (SR and JR)

• HellomanMC
• DontTreadOnMe_01
• Minkxies
• Zephyy
• PeachDAboss
• UnknownMelody

Helpers:

• CrazyDutchBoy
• Simowne
• Legendary_Revo
• Melodiez
• Beetley

I honestly doubt that the owners and staff even care anymore. Again these are the staff members who I HAVEN'T SEEN within two weeks.

Who I have seen within two weeks:

• JewishBagel
• XaylaMoonlight (As Katitude, never since the name change)
• Beastlyhardy (When he was still helper)
• coldice02 (First time ever seeing him yesterday)
• Wavy_Buster (Everyday)
• The7thCpt (Every other day)
• UIGaming (Second time yesterday)

I also saw gabrielmaennl5 yesterday for a short period...

P.S. You need to update your rule book... It was updated December 24th, 2015.

 

[The7thCpt]

Quick Response From Another Helper ----->

If you do not see a JrMod+ in Tab, it doesn't mean they're not on. A lot of the higher ranked staff prefer to do their jobs in /vanish (ex. PeachDAboss, HellomanMC, NHFLX). Additionally, we try to make sure the staff are spread out across multiple servers, so that they are available to larger groups of players.

Many of the staff you listed as inactive have been online this week. You may not have been on at the same time as these staff, or they may have been on different servers.

If you need staff help, you can use /helpop which will get the attention of any JrMod+ online iirc.

Concerning the Rules---->

The rulebook will be updated with the reset. I don't know the details of your current situation, but I will point out the second sentence on the Rules document:

They [the staff] may also modify the punishments given for certain offenses if they see fit.

Additionally if someone feels they have been falsely punished, they can submit a support ticket detailing the issue. These are looked over quite frequently by the JrMods so you can expect a speedy response.

Regards,
- 7th

EDIT: Melodiez is no longer part of the staff team,, so that is why you probably haven't seen her on.

 

[Beetley]

I moderate on every server, rather than just TMD-1.
Perhaps that is why you have not seen me.

I hope to see you in game soon.

 

[Katitude]

They [the staff] may also modify the punishments given for certain offenses if they see fit.

Additionally if someone feels they have been falsely punished, they can submit a support ticket detailing the issue. These are looked over quite frequently by the JrMods so you can expect a speedy response.

^^^

I disrespected the player, yes, but

Saying "but" is giving an excuse, there is no excuse for disrespecting a player even if they pvp logged.

I hope you learn from this experience, and not to post such a thing public. We have stated many things to help you, and I'm glad we can be of service. Feel free to privately message me of any concerns or questions you have. ^u^

 

[Kiverient]

^^^

Saying "but" is giving an excuse, there is no excuse for disrespecting a player even if they pvp logged.

I hope you learn from this experience, and not to post such a thing public. We have stated many things to help you, and I'm glad we can be of service. Feel free to privately message me of any concerns or questions you have. ^u^

Still haven't issued why you're all so inconsistent... Trying to push it aside...

 

[Tactical_Fox48]

Still haven't issued why you're all so inconsistent... Trying to push it aside...

Everyone has different views/perspectives on things (clearly demonstrated above). I see how you are upset, and I do see how you think Staff are inconsistent. Remember though, Staff are people too, and people always have different thoughts.

With that being said, here are my thoughts:

Perhaps the staff are a little inconsistent, but try to put yourself in their shoes. They have to deal with tons of situations and experiences, so while some may think that your friends' offenses were extremely light, others may have thought that your friends deserved a harsher punishment. On the contrary, some may think that you should have received a lighter disciplinary action than the one that was acted upon you. Staff have the right to "modify the punishments given for certain offenses as they see fit," as clearly stated in the rules you agreed to. Even though you may have received an unfair punishment (which I doubt, as most staff here have had plenty of experience), that doesn't mean you should start calling out all the staff members you think haven't been doing their jobs. You might live in a different time zone where they may be sleeping, in school, or spending valuable time with friends and/or family when you are online playing and bad mouthing others. Calling out people doesn't help either; if anything, it will turn them more against you and less likely to help your cause.

 

[UnknownMelody]

Still haven't issued why you're all so inconsistent... Trying to push it aside...

There are basically two different kinds of rules. Chat-related rules and hack/client-related rules. Chat rules are much easier to deal with as all staff members can see it and either deal with the issue or take a screenshot and report it so that someone else can deal with it. It can be difficult to catch hackers at times for a number of reasons. Some hackers can be inconspicuous, only hack sometimes, use hacks away from safezones (where most staff members reside) and bypass the NCP notifications or just be difficult to get solid evidence of due to bad positioning and such. So the reason you are more likely to get warned for a chat-related offence rather than a hack-related offence is because it is easier to get evidence of chat-related offences. Of course, we always try our best to catch as many hackers as possible, but when players call out staff in global chat while we're checking a hacker, the hacker can simply turn off their mods - making it impossible for us to catch them.

As for inconsistency in chat-related offences, for most rules we warn, mute, then ban. As previously stated, staff members can modify punishments as they see fit. This is generally used for players who break the rules more often and aren't getting the message that they are breaking the rules. This isn't exactly inconsistency. It's more like trying to get the point across and punishing them more harshly as they deserve it.

But why does the rules say "plenty of warns" then "You will be warned, then muted" pretty much...?

This means that if you receive a lot of warnings for disrespect, you will be permanently muted rather than simply temporarily muted. That is really all I can explain about the inconsistency. If you believe this is still an issue and that you or someone else has been punished incorrectly, appeal or get the other player to appeal. This is the best advice and explanation that we can give you. I hope this helps you understand.

 

[Katitude]

Still haven't issued why you're all so inconsistent... Trying to push it aside...

No point in continuing this, we've given you advice, explained points to you, and provided detailed and thorough responses. We aren't "pushing anything aside", I have a feeling you can't accept that the ban was the correct decision and won't settle with the response(s) given and the result of your punishment. You were banned after a warn, and it's common sense to listen to the warn because it is legitimately warning you to follow the rules to prevent future punishment. Usually there is a mute, and in some cases a tempban will occur without a mute and if this happens, it means the context was extreme or awful to say. If you can't follow our rules, then you will be punished, that's how it is. I am not apologizing that you were banned after a mute since the rules may be modified if necessary or needed. You broke the rules, which is already enough, especially after a warn. Warns are issued not only to give a reminder to follow the rules but benefit the others you are affecting and to create a better environment. Please do not argue further, but I will gladly answer any questions you have, though I'd recommend doing so in private messaging to not disturb the forum players from this minor negativity.
Thank you.
~Katitude

 

[purrr]

Lord have mercy, the staff does not fool around regarding the rules

 

[Jahango]

I have to agree with the inconsistent part :/

 

[BenSmart112]

Reminder about the /filter command to toggle the filter on/off...

 

[Katitude]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions if respectful, but some things are best not said. If people have an opinion of inconsistent staff, that's complaining. If you back it up and we counter it with an explanation, details, tips, and a helpful answer (Which we have), it just ends up being an argument as people will continue it because they still go with their opinion.
I mean, you could always suggest new and respectful ideas for us to help you better, but please do not be negative. (Apologies for the run on sentences)

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

I moderate on every server, rather than just TMD-1.
Perhaps that is why you have not seen me.

I hope to see you in game soon.

I saw you on Map Maker (you showed me how world edit works )
-I think I just read like 30 patahraphs of continuous comments from staff and liked all of them-

 

[Kiverient]

I have a feeling you can't accept that the ban was the correct decision and won't settle with the response(s) given and the result of your punishment.

Kat, can you read... I've stated, "I DON'T CARE ABOUT BEING WARNED, MUTED, OR BANNED!" Here it is. I'll even call you on skype and tell you what it says if you need it...

I don't care about being warned, muted, or even banned. I care about the server. Staff has been REALLY inconsistent within the last month.

Of course, we always try our best to catch as many hackers as possible, but when players call out staff in global chat while we're checking a hacker, the hacker can simply turn off their mods - making it impossible for us to catch them.......It's more like trying to get the point across and punishing them more harshly as they deserve it.

Now for this one.

First off, I said I called out the staff member in team chat. vvv

Then I call out that helper on team chat...

Second off, with the "It's more like trying to get the point across and punishing them more harshly as they deserve it."

You have some pretty calm staff... Then you have some pretty harsh staff... Rarely in between. I understand, I understand what you're saying (I said that twice so you don't take 30 minutes to make a response to something I already know).

Seems like I say something and a staff laughs/leaves it alone. Then a different staff member is on, and I get warned for saying that same thing...

EDIT: Staff shouldn't show friendships. If I were staff, I'd ban my best friend who introduced me into this server if it was needed.

 

[Gurgi200]

Remember staff are humans who have feeling/over-react when you **** them off. The lesson here is dont **** off staff.

 

[Katitude]

I'll make this brief.
Continuing this won't help, and it is wrong of me to continue this further though I dearly hope you can get the point of what I'm trying to say. I don't want to appear mean at all, but my point, which may have been hard to see, was to please follow the rules so you won't be punished in the first place. Moreover, when I spoke of the negativity, my point was this:
Creating a thread about a punishment you were given, then calling staff inconsistent will do nothing but spread negativity.
I wish to discontinue this, and I do understand some points although this is a silly topic thus meaning it should remain without any further comments. Thank you for making your last message respectful, I appreciate it. ^v^
Please privately message me either on the forums or in game. I'm sure other staff would be more than welcome to help you all, which could hopefully help with inconsistent staff as well. We all want to help you, please be nice though and if you have complaints, create ideas to rid of the need to complain. If you have any ideas to help us help you, and the idea is respectful, please tell us your feedback and/or ideas! Apologies for any disrespect I may have shown, but I'm positive my points came clearly by now.
~Katitude