Firearms Rebalance? yet another poll for another idea of mine :P

[Phenixtri]

This is a WIP concept so don't be too harsh okay I know we have seen these threads a million times before but rarely have there been any that go so in depth and detail like I have.

Most of the time its just kids spamming "add nue gunz plz" and bla bla bla but unlike them im not demanding anything here as I am perfectly capable of editing the games RP on my own with minimal effort :/ I just want the communities feedback on my ideas before setting anything in motion proverbially speaking.

So yea more or less I want to see the guns re balanced / tweaked to make them more distinct from each other and a little bit more viable to use in PVP servers for varieties sake.

This is also geared towards making them more lore friendly to the show and therefore this is also for the sake of boosting the games immersion value. Im also tweaking the DPS values to have more consistency among same caliber guns too but again this is all highly WIP.

Here is a basic overview of what im talking about and please note that everything here is subject to change and is still a very WIP concept.

"Note special tiers can only be obtained via crates to make them very very rare"

A: Sidearms​

"New" Tier 1: Maggie's 9x19mm Whalter P-99, 12 round mags, 2.0 DPS, Type Semi Auto

Tier 2: 9x19mm Beretta M-9, 15 round mags, 2.0 DPS, Type Semi Auto

Tier 3: .357 Mag. Colt Python Revolver, 6 shot cylinder, 6 DPS, Type Double & Single Action "needs to be much more accurate its like air soft right now as is"

Tier 4: 9x19mm Glock 17, 17 round mags, 2.0 DPS, Type Semi Auto

"New" Tier 5: Desert Eagle "changed to .45ACP Colt M1911" 7-8 round mags, 5 DPS, Type Semi Auto

Special Tier: .50AE Gold D. Eagle "changed to Black frame D. Eagle from show" 7 round mags, 8 DPS, Type Semi Auto

B: 12 gauge Shotguns​

Tier 1: Double Barrel Coach Gun, 2 shots, Type Semi Auto?

Tier 2: Remington 870 AE, 8 shell mag, Type Pump Action

Tier 3: Mossberg 500, 8 shell mag, Type Pump Action

"New" Tier 4: Browning Auto 5, 4 shell mag, Type Semi Auto

"New" Tier 5: M&P Benelli M-1014, 5 or 7 shell mag, Type Semi Auto

Special Tier: SPAS-12, 8 shell mag , Type Semi Auto

C: SMGs / PDWs​

"New" Tier 1: 9x19mm HK MP5K from the show, 15 round mags, 2.0 DPS, Type Full Auto

Tier 2: 9x19mm HK MP5A3, 30 round mags, 2.5 DPS "due to longer barrel", Type Full Auto

Tier 3: 9x19mm Uzi, 32 round mags, 2.0 DPS, Type Full Auto

Tier 4: .45ACP HK UMP-45, 25 round mags, 5 DPS, Type Full Auto

"New" Tier 5: .45ACP Ingram Mac-10, 30 round mags, 5 DPS, Type Full Auto

Special Tier: 5.7x28mm FN P-90, 50 round mags, 3.5 DPS, Type Full Auto

D: Rifles & Carbines​

"New" Tier 1: 5.56mm NATO Civilian Semi Auto AR-15, 20 round mags, 3.5 DPS, Type Semi Auto

Tier 2: 5.56mm NATO M&P Colt M4A1, 30 round mags, 3.5 DPS, Type Full Auto

Tier 3: 5.56mm NATO M&P M-16A4, 30 round mags, 4.0 DPS "due to its 20in heavy barrel", Type Burst Fire

Tier 4: 7.62mm M43 AKM-47, 30 round mags, 4.5 DPS, Type Full Auto

Tier 5: 5.56mm NATO Styer AUG-A1, 30 round mags, 3.5 DPS, Type Full Auto
"Kept this one even tho its rare AF IRL but its just too cool to give up imho"

"New" 7.62mm NATO FNH SCAR-H / MK.17, 20 round mags, 10 DPS, Type Full Auto "-2 DPS due to it being a assault rifle / carbine & not a sniper rifle IE it has no heavy barrel only a standard 16in barrel"

E: Sniper Rifles "these should spawn with out scopes unless bought in a SZ imo" ​

Also bolt actions have a substantially slower ROF but in return gain a 0.5 damage boost over their semi auto counter parts even if same caliber due to higher firing pressures in manually operated closed bolt systems as opposed to gas operated semi autos ones.

Tier 1: .243 Winchester M-70, 3 round internal mag, 7.5 DPS "loads 1 round "sniper clip" at a time like the shotguns", Type Bolt Action

"New" Tier 2: .30,06 Remington M-7400, 4 Round mags, 10 DPS, Type Semi Auto

Tier 3: 7.62mm NATO Police Remington 700, 5 round mags, 12.5 DPS, Type Bolt Action

Tier 4: 7.62mm NATO Springfield M-14, 20 round mags, 12 DPS, Type Semi Auto

"New" Tier 5: Barret "changed to 7.62mm NATO Remington M40A3",10 round mags, 13.5 DPS, Type Bolt Action
"+1 DPS due to match grade heavy barrel"

"New" Special Tier: Gold Barret "changed to 7.62mm NATO AI AWP", 10 round mags, 13.5 DPS, Type Bolt Action "+1 DPS due to match grade heavy barrel"

F: LMGs & SAWs ​

"New" Tier 1: 7.62mm M43 Arsenal RPK, 40 round mags, 4.5 DPS, Type Full Auto

"New" Tier 2: 5.56mm NATO USMC HK M-27 IAR, 60 round surefire mags, 3.5 DPS, Type Full Auto

"New" Tier 3: 5.56mm NATO FN M-249, 100 or 200 round belt, 3.5 DPS, Type Full Auto

"New" Tier 4: 7.62mm NATO USMC FN M-240G, 100 round belt, 12 DPS, Type Full Auto

Tier 5: 7.62mm NATO M-60A4, 100 round belt, 12 DPS, Type Full Auto

Special Tier: 5.56mm NATO Minigun "keep it as is id love to remove it entirely but people would complain too much as it is so rare in game that its hardly an issue in my book"



thats all i got for the moment make of it what you will and again please dont bother commenting if you cant be constructive about it as I could care less about anyone who ******* and whines in an annoying manner. >_>

 

[Boscafano]

I really like this. Very well thought out and planned. +1

 

[_Tachi_]

Nice! But i suggest making a version of this in english plz, i know absolutley nothing about guns, exept point and shoot.

 

[Phenixtri]

but it is English 0_0 I just copied the in game format too the only extra detail i added was the weapon caliber ... that and the rest is just excuses for editing some of the weapons scripts.

EDIT : Also I can provide links to images of said guns im talking about to give you all a better idea of what ill be going for once i start making weapon models from scratch while using the old ones for testing reference.

 

[_Tachi_]

but it is English 0_0 I just copied the in game format too the only extra detail i added was the weapon caliber ... that and the rest is just excuses for editing some of the weapons scripts.

EDIT : Also I can provide links to images of said guns im talking about to give you all a better idea of what ill be going for once i start making weapon models from scratch while using the old ones for testing reference.

Ok, i kinda dimt understand (and by english i meant like clearer, its a meme idk) also, the liks would be great!

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

I think shotguns are listed as semi-auto, not pump action (having a different stat would be cool tho)

 

[Phenixtri]

pump action would just mean that its rate of fire would be much slower "timed to match the shoot / pump action sounds" over the semi auto ones like the SPAS-12. This simulates the action of pumping the gun to load a fresh shell from the magazine since MC still lacks a proper 1st person arm rig for animating ....

im working on resolving that issue via the mo bends mod as a base to work off of and of course this also means ill be playing around with ragdoll animations as well as 3rd person anims.

mo bends mod im working with

http://www.planetminecraft.com/mod/146-mo-binds-steve-have-forearm/
showcase of latest version "0.22.5" by PopularMMO

Ragdoll showcase

Also it may seem a lil OP given how fast semi autos can shoot but the trade off for that is that the guns run out of ammo much faster and given how slow shotguns reload in TMD any semi auto shot gunner is essentially caught with their pants down when they are reloading IE very easy targets so imho it is a fair trade off.

 

[UterZorker]

I can not read this please make this easyer to understand then i will give my full poinion on the matter

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

I can not read this please make this easyer to understand then i will give my full poinion on the matter

Hes making 3d animation for reload (Like Flan's Gun mods)

 

[UterZorker]

Hes making 3d animation for reload (Like Flan's Gun mods)

Ok thats all

 

[SushiSniper]

This is all well and good, but why should they replace some of the guns? Can't they just add these new ones considering they haven't added new guns since ever in the time i've been playing. Also, why would specials only be available in crates that doesn't make sense. Just to make them rare? Special doesn't necessarily mean rare.

 

[SushiSniper]

Also, wouldn't adding animations cause even more people not to be able to use the resource pack?

 

[SushiSniper]

I am perfectly capable of editing the games RP on my own with minimal effort

One more thing, what do u mean by this? U could edit the server oooorrrr.

 

[Phenixtri]

no i mean can edit the resource pack and as for the 1st person animation i have 2 ideas on how to make that work via the RP and a server side forge mod.

Also I want specials like the SPAS-12 to be voting crate only items and rare as **** as those guns would be by far the most OP in game. And some guns like the G-36C were never seen in the Walking Dead show + they are very rarely imported & hard to own Class 3 weapons in the US. To legally import and by one would literally cost you around the 10,000 dollar + range IRL.

As for the 1st person animations I always intended to make them ideally for client side use via a forge mod. Weather or not the developers of TMD decide to use my work on this project as a server side mod is up to them.

For now the 1st person animation mod is being developed to work with vanilla Minecraft just to see if its even plausible and viable. If I manage to make a working viable mod for it ill move on to making a TMD compatible version if possible.

But basically what I am going for is similar to this from the Advanced Armory Alpha mod
http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/02/02/56b13c246310c.jpg

Advanced Armory Alpha WIP mod found here
http://www.planetminecraft.com/forums/advanced-armoury-alpha-new-gun-mod-for-minecraft-t535103.html

 

[Phenixtri]

UPDATE This project has been temporarily shelved for the foreseeable future due to life issues getting in the way for me. I got hurt at work and am now dealing with a hairline fracture in my lower spine and my employer refuses to take responsibility for it after sweeping the whole incident under the rug, thus I am also dealing with legal issues as well >_< ..... FML and my accursed luck >_>

 

[BenSmart112]

I want specials like the SPAS-12 to be voting crate only items and rare as ****

The SPAS isn't a special item. Weapons like the Gatling Gun and other legend guns are that way already.

 

[Noxy_X]

UPDATE This project has been temporarily shelved for the foreseeable future due to life issues getting in the way for me. I got hurt at work and am now dealing with a hairline fracture in my lower spine and my employer refuses to take responsibility for it after sweeping the whole incident under the rug, thus I am also dealing with legal issues as well >_< ..... FML and my accursed luck >_>

Get well soon

 

[_Tachi_]

Get well soon

Same

 

[Diamond_Knight_9]

This is a wonderful idea i love every aspect of it. in fact can u make one about melee weapons id love to c it

 

[purrr]

The SPAS isn't a special item. Weapons like the Gatling Gun and other legend guns are that way already.

To be honest it should be as it's insanely overpowered