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    Katitude

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    @CinderStorm of course player opinions matter. When @_Nickk recently created the thread on a possible update for the server, he added a poll to see what players would like. I always try to tell everyone they can message me if they need anything, and it can be about HavocMC or even personal issues as I do sincerely care about you all, even if some haven't made the best choices. I say to message a staff member privately of any questions or concerns so the appropriate action can take place, although I never say you have no opinion in the matter and you are inadequate to state what you would like, but please keep it private and respectful.

    Thank you.
    ~Katitude
     

    StephenPeters

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    @CinderStorm of course player opinions matter. When @_Nickk recently created the thread on a possible update for the server, he added a poll to see what players would like. I always try to tell everyone they can message me if they need anything, and it can be about HavocMC or even personal issues as I do sincerely care about you all, even if some haven't made the best choices. I say to message a staff member privately of any questions or concerns so the appropriate action can take place, although I never say you have no opinion in the matter and you are inadequate to state what you would like, but please keep it private and respectful.

    Thank you.
    ~Katitude

    I suggest you to go over my comments again before commenting about nick and his poll.

    "although I never say you have no opinion in the matter and you are inadequate to state what you would like, but please keep it private and respectful."

    I don't see a clear connection between me not being inadequate to state my opinion and being respectful.

    "Private"

    I would like to have a reason about why we should keep it from the public. Is there any sensitive topics here? Since when did speaking out opinions about staff members counts as a topic we should keep private? Shouldn't the players decide if a staff is qualify or not?
     

    Jirache

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    Trouble....where will that be coming from i wonder. Speaking out our own opinions and pointing out facts should not be able to get us in trouble. Plus we are doing it in a rather polite way. There shouldn't be troubles as long as whoever gets called out can control their tempers, right?
    True. There's no reason for any of us to be in trouble for simply stating our minds in a calm, polite, and clear way. Now, if one of us comes to this thread saying, "YEAH! THIS SERVER IS ****! THEY SHOULD BURN IT TO THE GROUND!" Then I could understand why this would get shut down. So no matter what people, let's try to keep ^ out of this. :D

    Edit: Totally forgot to write the really important part, my opinion. I think the server is nice and all, but I agree with Armen that some changes need to be made. I think certain staff members, (No names), need to be re-evaluated on their abilities as staff members. I have made a report on one, but I think that Sr. Mods should really look through the postings of the Mods/Helpers, and see everything they say. I don't think anyone should be kicked off the staff team, but I do believe that any mods that are unfit for their rank should be brought down to whatever staff rank is below, and the same to all other ranks. And for the ones at the lowest rank, they should be off the staff team, but still given a chance to re-apply. (Only for those they think need to fix themselves, and the ones that have one or two problems, just talk to them and give them a strike.)
     
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    StephenPeters

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    True. There's no reason for any of us to be in trouble for simply stating our minds in a calm, polite, and clear way. Now, if one of us comes to this thread saying, "YEAH! THIS SERVER IS ****! THEY SHOULD BURN IT TO THE GROUND!" Then I could understand why this would get shut down. So no matter what people, let's try to keep ^ out of this. :D

    Totally. I wouldn't open a special thread just to discuss this topic, but as I've said before, problems will never be solved if you ignore them. As an ex-staff member who already sold her minecraft account, the only intention of me doing this is to point out problems within the current staff system. Maybe people would like to hear stories from my perspective, giving that fact that i was in the system before and might get a better insight of the system. However, please don't take this thread wrong and i also wish everyone here can be polite and logical and support their ideas with clearly stated evidences.
     

    Jirache

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    Totally. I wouldn't open a special thread just to discuss this topic, but as I've said before, problems will never be solved if you ignore them. As an ex-staff member who already sold her minecraft account, the only intention of me doing this is to point out problems within the current staff system. Maybe people would like to hear stories from my perspective, giving that fact that i was in the system before and might get a better insight of the system. However, please don't take this thread wrong and i also wish everyone here can be polite and logical and support their ideas with clearly stated evidences.
    I completely agree with your whole comment. I said something similar in my comment (after I edited it because I forgot to even write an opinion xD).
     

    ArmenTheHeli

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    So it's decided, this thread is basically to change every part of Havoc that isn't working, right guys? And PLEASE someone join Heli Network im all alone there (you can use the type channel for ease of access) link in my sig ;-;
     

    Pawndah

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    "Im not leaving, this is my server as much as it is yours. Also, which part of the post did you not like? me calling out staff, or showing how much unnecessary stress the owners are under? Or the fact that the builder's work could just be thrown out. Why would that even be in question? Why is throwing out all of that work an option? As for the last line of your post, read the first line of my post. "Rant coming in hot, prepare your ears."

    I think Havoc is a great server, it is, but it's descent into "crap" has started. I don't think anyone here wants that, right? But to stop that, things need to change. Of course, some of these changes have already happened. Gr8! But there need to be more changes, not necessarily to the game, but to things like reports, staff acceptance process, and planning new things (In my opinion, planning new minigames should be a community process, so the creators of the minigame know exactly what the community wants, so when they publish the minigame people will want less things changed)"

    Please read my comment, thank you. Pointing out what someone else said won't help your situation; this is positive feedback that will help you. ^-^
    im hoping as of my return i can get lots of more players to join back.
     

    Cactiee

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    Unfortunately I'm not an Admin to suit your needs, but I'll do my best to help you, and I will try to make it brief. I'd like to say the owners are under stress, and I can see why with all of the new features, changes etc. Calling them dead inside isn't very nice, and you could always do them a favour and ask if you could help, suggest new things or ways to reduce their stress instead of stating "they have stress", etc. If they decide to go back to the old map, note how Nick created a thread to ask what the players think. As staff, I can see that the owners will do what they can for the people, and if it means resorting to the other map, that will take place. The builders are builders, and with all due respect, it is their job. They signed up for the position, and despite the possible removal of the new map, I would take pride in the work they created. I hope I've done a lot for you all, and in situations similar to this, I would look for the good instead of complaining without a solution. If you believe a staff member is abusing their powers, please privately message me and I will take the report into investigation and we're always here to help. I like to say I won't be bias if you report staff I'm friends with, because I don't believe in favouritsm and if they signed up for the position and didn't do their job, there are concequences that take place once we discover the problem in the first place. To be honest, I won't go into detail on Exo's server as I wouldn't waste my time talking about it. You may not see players' disturbance of how large the new map is, though we've gotten many reports on how difficult it is to do anything without dying of starvation, and other problems that have been expressed to us privately or even in public. If the players overrule the idea of reverting to the old map, that would make players happier and even contribute to our player base rising and even ensuring our service to you all is positive. In life, we will always encounter haters or people that do not defend our actions and ideas, but I find the majority would tell us which is the better decision, as everyone has a right to vote on the poll, and if a vote isn't made, they are only voting for the decision they don't care for. We are resetting Havoc Horizons due to complications we didn't see before releasing the gamemode, which is undoubtedly our fault, and we apologize greatly for that; I can see how annoying that would be as a player. The builders are volunteers, and didn't demand compensations, although if they are incredibly upset by the removal of the map instead of cherishing the hard work and effort put into the map, then the owners would handle that situation. As stated prior in this message, instead of stating there aren't problems, please help us instead of complaining, or don't say anything at all.

    Thank you very much for listening and please message me privately of any questions or concerns you may have; as a final note, please leave all negativity out of this thread as of this moment, or I will unfortunately have to lock this thread that has a right to free positive discussion.

    Yours Kindly,
    ~Katitude <3
    Jesus I'm lazy to read that bible
     

    ArmenTheHeli

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    so to all players of havoc, post "I" if you would like to join a group of people who wnt to fix the server. Its open to all ranks, staff or otherwise. There is no arguing (or at least the kind where its just attacking people), just talk about. If you want havoc to be better, just say "I". Discord server https://discord.gg/Y6VwGzD, or if you don't have discord, ill try to make an update thread about everything that is being discussed. Ill do an update ever 2-3 days, so everyone can see the progress. Just say "I" to make Havoc a better place for everyone

    I don't think anyone's gonna say anything, so sorry for the spam post... hopefully one of the owners can join, so the group can get a better understanding of every problem.

    Speaking of problems, message me (click my profile picture, then click the "send message" button) with everything you dislike or want changed about Havoc.
     

    Jirache

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    so to all players of havoc, post "I" if you would like to join a group of people who wnt to fix the server. Its open to all ranks, staff or otherwise. There is no arguing (or at least the kind where its just attacking people), just talk about. If you want havoc to be better, just say "I". Discord server https://discord.gg/Y6VwGzD, or if you don't have discord, ill try to make an update thread about everything that is being discussed. Ill do an update ever 2-3 days, so everyone can see the progress. Just say "I" to make Havoc a better place for everyone

    I don't think anyone's gonna say anything, so sorry for the spam post... hopefully one of the owners can join, so the group can get a better understanding of every problem.

    Speaking of problems, message me (click my profile picture, then click the "send message" button) with everything you dislike or want changed about Havoc.
    I. Having a free space to calmly discuss issues regarding the server would be nice. :)
     

    Kanyay

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    I would agree, if builders actually had a say in what happened, and actually had an opinion that mattered. But we don't say I can have the opinion to agree with what he said.
    Im guessing you either forgot who I was or just chose to ignore what I meant, you agreed to armens post about players that speak out get reprimanded. Do you not remember what you did to me? You are one of the main reasons I resigned, I spoke up against you and another builder and you didn't enjoy it so what did you do? you twisted the truth and spread lies behind my back, you turned other builders against me. You ruined the build server for me. Don't try to deny this, because you would just be lying to the server and to yourself. You manipulate others and don't act the way a staff member should yet expect to be treated as a staff member. Don't go looking for respect when you are the person who deserves it the least.
     

    JessePinktip

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    Im guessing you either forgot who I was or just chose to ignore what I meant, you agreed to armens post about players that speak out get reprimanded. Do you not remember what you did to me? You are one of the main reasons I resigned, I spoke up against you and another builder and you didn't enjoy it so what did you do? you twisted the truth and spread lies behind my back, you turned other builders against me. You ruined the build server for me. Don't try to deny this, because you would just be lying to the server and to yourself. You manipulate others and don't act the way a staff member should yet expect to be treated as a staff member. Don't go looking for respect when you are the person who deserves it the least.
    Um, I think you have the wrong person. The only thing I did was me and kitchensink tping to you and watching you build some minewars thing in vanish and you got really pissed off. Not my fault if you left over that.