My Brutally Honest Opinion

[general2673]

first and foremost the server is heading rapidly in the direction of its death stages. I really do hope that changes, but with each thing that happens, the people on top dig further down in to the servers grave. I have held off my direct opinion for as long as I can.

@IgnitingIce @Jacobg1998 you guys are simply running in circles with the updates. Pick a direction and stick to it because for months the server has darted from "fair" pvp based on cover, to "war friendly" pvp based on fast clicking and combos. Jugg being buffed, wait now it is Nerfed. pain times are increased, actually pains are back to .1 seconds. walkers are buffed to add a challange, no lets actually nerf them back to being less dangerous than a lizard.

A look at the seasons update announcement. so the contest is going well, but what of the "bi weekly updates"? every two weeks for those that were about to google it. in the thread announcing seasons updates there is this https://gyazo.com/7c8df702eaa75f0f708cf824bc3b896d . By now there should have been three of these updates, yet as far as i can tell, there have been none.

Mine Wars On July 3rd @Jacobg1998 announced "minewars 2.0" would be coming later in the summer, complete with pictures of creatures and new buildings found here https://havocmc.net/threads/our-plans-for-the-summer.6203/ .
On July 31st it was announced that minewars 2.0 would be delayed.
As of early September, mine wars can no longer be accessed.
I assume this is going to gradually vanish like map maker?

Map Maker lets revisit that now shall we? when i was helper back in January, map maker was removed "temporarily" due to glitches. the promise was given that map maker would return and our maps would even be saved! as seen here. https://gyazo.com/3f86d66f587bd4ef6d738658e3c7d082 - to prioritize on minewars 2.0 development. Just a few weeks ago map maker chat was removed from the discord- I somehow doubt the gamemode will be returning.

Havoc Horizens it was announced on this thread https://havocmc.net/threads/our-plans-for-the-summer.6203/ quote "Havoc Horizons will not be a central focus for the server moving forward, however it will still be accessible with the server selector menu after the update. This means that we do not plan on having any resets or releasing anymore updates for Horizons in the foreseeable future. Simply put, there are hundreds of Skyblock servers out there which are essentially the same gamemode as Havoc Horizons, and we don’t feel that we can provide anything unique in this gamemode moving forward as we feel we can provide with some of our other more original gamemodes." That's fair, but all the same- another one bites the dust.

Hellnight in the thread announcing bi-weekly updates, its mentioned that hellnight updates would be top priority. 3 update cycles in and still nothing as far as im aware. To the owner's credit, you have been very active playing with players on hellnight- until that abruptly stopped.

Tmd honestly, im not going to go down the rabbit hole here. Its too much digging and everyone knows the gist already. the updates have been hopping around more than a kangaroo on cocaine and it is obviously not working. in fact after all those updates, all those "im quitting posts" , all of that work, we are back where we began a few months ago, only smaller, weaker, and more divided.

Tmd classic tmd classic is "dead" due to only select players using it on a regular basis.


A united path forward
here is what i recommend implement 4-5 main tmd servers.
2 of these servers should be pvp with the same map that the build team works so hard to build.
1 of these servers should have the same pvp mechanics as tmd classic. this server would be the "war" server.
The second pvp server would be more like the pvp changes where cover was needed to survive and pain spamming is non existent.
the third would be the tmd pve server as we know it now. one thing about pve players, we are not super picky about stats of weapons and such, they just want them to work.
the fourth server would eventually become the tmd realism server(s) pvp and pve servers. these would have the healing times at high levels, with the buffed walkers as well as other realism features that have been suggested in the past.

I will have very little time come next week to deal with any of this as my college quarter starts so thats my baseline opinion on where the server is going.


for those of you that are thinking "too long didnt read" heres the gist. the management of the server quite bluntly needs to get their **** together and lead the server in a forward direction, not in circles.


thank you for reading and I am very interested to see how people respond to this.
-general2673

ps - no this is not an "im quitting" post. the amount of time ive put into the server? no im here till the end.

 

[JT900]

walkers are buffed to add a challange, no lets actually nerf them back to being less dangerous than a lizard

Idk man, lizards can be pretty menacing. Jk ofc they're not.

But yeah, I completely agree with all of this. Why is this server even called "Havoc" anymore if it's just TMD being "worked on"? Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Draw4]

TMD been on the decline for around 2 years let’s stop talking about it, everyone knows. Theirs only so much the owners can do and that’s providing a good update that’ll get players to play. These post about the server dying is pretty cringy now because, its more for attention than about the server.

*disconnected*

 

[Katitude]

My opinion on this thread:

for those of you that are thinking "too long didnt read" heres the gist. the management of the server quite bluntly needs to get their **** together and lead the server in a forward direction, not in circles.

Quite frankly, you can’t blame the entire staff team; you were staff, you should know.

walkers are buffed to add a challange, no lets actually nerf them back to being less dangerous than a lizard.

Numerous people really enjoy the walkers having more of an impact on player survival. It gives the game a challenge, and is quite enjoyable.

Map Maker lets revisit that now shall we? when i was helper back in January, map maker was removed "temporarily" due to glitches. the promise was given that map maker would return and our maps would even be saved! as seen here. https://gyazo.com/3f86d66f587bd4ef6d738658e3c7d082 - to prioritize on minewars 2.0 development. Just a few weeks ago map maker chat was removed from the discord- I somehow doubt the gamemode will be returning.

I know why there hasn’t been a return to map maker, and I don’t think it’s going to return. This is something the owners need to make a post on.

Also, with your ideas of a tmd war server, two pvp servers, a tmd realism, and pve server, there should be at least two PVE servers.

I think that @Jacobg1998 and @IgnitingIce shoukd create a post regarding all of this. It isn’t easy maintaining a server, and I wouldn’t know a thing about it. I’m sympathetic towards the difficulty to trying to fix the server, but you should really be more active in the community. That was an issue a couple of years ago, and it still is. You can’t rely on the staff team to manage all player interactions, because a lot of players ask questions that staff can’t even answer because you aren’t relaying information to your team, and the only people that know the most about the server developing and such is you.

 

[general2673]

My opinion on this thread:


Quite frankly, you can’t blame the entire staff team; you were staff, you should know.


Numerous people really enjoy the walkers having more of an impact on player survival. It gives the game a challenge, and is quite enjoyable.


I know why there hasn’t been a return to map maker, and I don’t think it’s going to return. This is something the owners need to make a post on.

Also, with your ideas of a tmd war server, two pvp servers, a tmd realism, and pve server, there should be at least two PVE servers.

I think that @Jacobg1998 and @IgnitingIce shoukd create a post regarding all of this. It isn’t easy maintaining a server, and I wouldn’t know a thing about it. I’m sympathetic towards the difficulty to trying to fix the server, but you should really be more active in the community. That was an issue a couple of years ago, and it still is. You can’t rely on the staff team to manage all player interactions, because a lot of players ask questions that staff can’t even answer because you aren’t relaying information to your team, and the only people that know the most about the server developing and such is you.

#1 I said management, not moderation. Managers include the owners and anyone in their "inner circle" that helps them with decisions.
#2 you may have missed the sarcasm of that first paragraph. I was among those that loved the new walkers.
#3yeah. I know.
#4 my ideal server list that I think most players would love is.

#1 "war" server
#2 "tactical" server
#3 "roleplay" or "easy" pve
#4 realism pve
#5 realism pvp

I guess it was kinda a mess when I explained it. The realism servers would come with time as they are coded and such but #1-3 could be done as they have been in the past.

Something I have always maintained is that communication makes or breaks a group.the three C's communication, consistency and control. You need one to function well as a leader. Unfortunately you have none. Communication is something you need to do more with your server. At the very least tell someone in the staff team so they can tell other staff.
Consistency. The point of this thread is to point out you have very little.
Control. I don't mean holding the ban hammer. What control means is control of how a situation plays out. Once again, unless you are trying to steadily turn the server against you, this obviously is not working out.

 

[general2673]

TMD been on the decline for around 2 years let’s stop talking about it, everyone knows. Theirs only so much the owners can do and that’s providing a good update that’ll get players to play. These post about the server dying is pretty cringy now because, its more for attention than about the server.

*disconnected*

Let me give you the condensed version. Yes I stated tmd is on the decline ,but it was not the point of this message. I wanted to underscore how little has been achieved by the owners chasing their own tail with these updates. I would also add I expressed that I hope it is not given the axe and I'll be trying to help until server's end. Please carefully read the post before responding- cheers

 

[HealQuick]

I agree with this post's ideas.

 

[Draw4]

Let me give you the condensed version. Yes I stated tmd is on the decline ,but it was not the point of this message. I wanted to underscore how little has been achieved by the owners chasing their own tail with these updates. I would also add I expressed that I hope it is not given the axe and I'll be trying to help until server's end. Please carefully read the post before responding- cheers

I did read, just the title LUL

 

[seuboi]

I agree with almost all everything, except that spitting the player base in 5 servers would be as thrilling as playing single-player. I think 2 tmd pvps (OP and Realism) and one pve is enough. But bare in mind the PvE should be at the same pace as the Realism, since there would be no player's threat and zombies are basically walking-worms.
What also ****s with me its the totally random adjustment made WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE COMMUNITY. Not only tons of adjustments but also rolling back out of nowhere, w h a t t h e f u c k? Have some consideration for those few players who still find this enjoyable AT ALL.


Edit- I'd also point out that we will not have an oficial a answer by the owners. Checking their posts history: jacob only posted in n Announcements topics and ignitingice posted in General last time in april 19 so, yeah, you'll not get a straight answer from them. At best some distorted blabla from someone else who talked to him @ discord while he was too busy doing whatever.

 

[Firelillx]

I know why there hasn’t been a return to map maker, and I don’t think it’s going to return. This is something the owners need to make a post on.

Just expose it. If you know that means its already been leaked. It would be nice to know why they lied and said they would save the maps and it was coming back. If they won't tell people, you should since you apparently have inside information or something. Idk how you always know things before everyone else, but the owners need to fix that

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

I vote jacob and igniting get someone/a group of people who are competent to work on the server, rather than doing it themselves. I think it's obvious that they:

Lack communication

Are not mapping out the updates, just throwing low quality content at us

Lack more communication

Make too many empty promises

Are either too busy with irl stuff or have simply lost interest

and

Ignore playerbase

Please fix.

 

[Firelillx]

I vote jacob and igniting get someone/a group of people who are competent to work on the server, rather than doing it themselves. I think it's obvious that they:

Lack communication

Are not mapping out the updates, just throwing low quality content at us

Lack more communication

Make too many empty promises

Are either too busy with irl stuff or have simply lost interest

and

Ignore playerbase

Please fix.

LOL I don't know why I find it so funny. The owners are rick and nick is Shane LOL. Randall is minewars. LOLLL.

Except in this situation Rick isn't good at the apocalypse and leads everyone to death shortly after this speech.

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

Just expose it. If you know that means its already been leaked. It would be nice to know why they lied and said they would save the maps and it was coming back. If they won't tell people, you should since you apparently have inside information or something. Idk how you always know things before everyone else, but the owners need to fix that

This is something I've always wondered about @Katitude . She seems to know all the juicy tea when it comes to the owners and staff. Isn't sharing that stuff with players not allowed? Last I checked, Kat is a normal player now. Saltiness aside, Kat if you're reading this, don't mention stuff like that in general. That's like a friend of yours coming up to you and saying "OMG GURL the best thing JUST happened to me." And when you ask for more info, they say "nevermind." That's basically what you're doing. If you 'cant't tell anyone' don't mention it in the first palce.. .-.

 

[Firelillx]

This is something I've always wondered about @Katitude . She seems to know all the juicy tea when it comes to the owners and staff. Isn't sharing that stuff with players not allowed? Last I checked, Kat is a normal player now. Saltiness aside, Kat if you're reading this, don't mention stuff like that in general. That's like a friend of yours coming up to you and saying "OMG GURL the best thing JUST happened to me." And when you ask for more info, they say "nevermind." That's basically what you're doing. If you 'cant't tell anyone' don't mention it in the first palce.. .-.

Amen. Don’t flex information. I like you Kat, but you are starting to sound snooty and bragging you know more than everyone else. If you won’t tell us what you know- don’t say anything. This has happened many times. Cats example was actually really accurate. I respect how you care about the server and have been a good ex staff member and player. Don’t ruin it by flexing you are cooler than the rest of us because the owners or your boyfriend (only assuming don’t shoot me) are leaking stuff to you.

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

your boyfriend

He's resigned now, so that wont be an issue of bias anymore.

 

[Katitude]

Just expose it. If you know that means its already been leaked. It would be nice to know why they lied and said they would save the maps and it was coming back. If they won't tell people, you should since you apparently have inside information or something. Idk how you always know things before everyone else, but the owners need to fix that

I asked. If you want to know why Map Maker is taking a long time, ask. If you can't, ask a staff member to forward your message. I can contact them personally, so I ask questions. It's not that they contact me and say "hey Kat here is everything that's going on".

This is something I've always wondered about @Katitude . She seems to know all the juicy tea when it comes to the owners and staff. Isn't sharing that stuff with players not allowed? Last I checked, Kat is a normal player now. Saltiness aside, Kat if you're reading this, don't mention stuff like that in general. That's like a friend of yours coming up to you and saying "OMG GURL the best thing JUST happened to me." And when you ask for more info, they say "nevermind." That's basically what you're doing. If you 'cant't tell anyone' don't mention it in the first palce.. .-.

I get what you mean but no, it's not the right analogy for the situation(s) you're trying to compare. Scenario 1: If you're in school and someone is confused about a question, you could casually mention that you understand it. Scenario 2: But if a person is confused and someone says "well I know the answer and I could tell you" and they say "nevermind" after you ask for help, that'd be the analogy you're comparing scenario one to, and it doesn't work.

The reason I know some stuff is because I literally ask. It's not my fault that I ask questions, and it isn't leaking information. A leak involves the release of something, which in this form, it means releasing sensitive information behind-someone's-back. The owners didn't leak something sensitive that nobody was supposed to know. If they didn't want me knowing about Map Maker, they wouldn't have known me. And if they tell me and don't want others to know just yet, it's because they're going to announce it, so there's no harm to it. I just mentioned that I have sympathy towards the owners and I understand why Map Maker is at the state it is at. I didn't flex it in anyone's faces that I know a little more information than others, and I don't like to spread information just in case I misheard something.

"Just expose it. If you know that means its already been leaked. It would be nice to know why they lied and said they would save the maps and it was coming back. If they won't tell people, you should since you apparently have inside information or something. Idk how you always know things before everyone else, but the owners need to fix that"

"But the owners needs to fix that" -> I hope you're talking about communication between the owners and the playerbase, because that's what needs fixing. If they lied, I'm sorry to hear that, and if they did, then they should be more honest with the community. When I gave out some information to the players - because you just said I should - people get very angry with me because they didn't hear it from an owner. A lot of players will react this way when they don't hear specific things from a staff member, otherwise it doesn't count to many people. (I can understand that, because not all players are honest, and you should always confirm those types of things with a staff member)

I could definitely reapply and help out the staff team, but it is way too stressful, and I don't see much of a future for HavocMC based on the threads, discord messages, forum messages, and in game concerns and messages.

 

[Firelillx]

I asked. If you want to know why Map Maker is taking a long time, ask. If you can't, ask a staff member to forward your message. I can contact them personally, so I ask questions. It's not that they contact me and say "hey Kat here is everything that's going on".


I get what you mean but no, it's not the right analogy for the situation(s) you're trying to compare. Scenario 1: If you're in school and someone is confused about a question, you could casually mention that you understand it. Scenario 2: But if a person is confused and someone says "well I know the answer and I could tell you" and they say "nevermind" after you ask for help, that'd be the analogy you're comparing scenario one to, and it doesn't work.

The reason I know some stuff is because I literally ask. It's not my fault that I ask questions, and it isn't leaking information. A leak involves the release of something, which in this form, it means releasing sensitive information behind-someone's-back. The owners didn't leak something sensitive that nobody was supposed to know. If they didn't want me knowing about Map Maker, they wouldn't have known me. And if they tell me and don't want others to know just yet, it's because they're going to announce it, so there's no harm to it. I just mentioned that I have sympathy towards the owners and I understand why Map Maker is at the state it is at. I didn't flex it in anyone's faces that I know a little more information than others, and I don't like to spread information just in case I misheard something.

"Just expose it. If you know that means its already been leaked. It would be nice to know why they lied and said they would save the maps and it was coming back. If they won't tell people, you should since you apparently have inside information or something. Idk how you always know things before everyone else, but the owners need to fix that"

"But the owners needs to fix that" -> I hope you're talking about communication between the owners and the playerbase, because that's what needs fixing. If they lied, I'm sorry to hear that, and if they did, then they should be more honest with the community. When I gave out some information to the players - because you just said I should - people get very angry with me because they didn't hear it from an owner. A lot of players will react this way when they don't hear specific things from a staff member, otherwise it doesn't count to many people. (I can understand that, because not all players are honest, and you should always confirm those types of things with a staff member)

I could definitely reapply and help out the staff team, but it is way too stressful, and I don't see much of a future for HavocMC based on the threads, discord messages, forum messages, and in game concerns and messages.

The point is the owners need to communicate with ALL players not just a few. This is their mess. They did lie because they said it was down temporarily and that the maps weren’t going to be lost.... pretty sure it’s gone forever. I wouldn’t know though because they don’t respond to players. Idk why we should feel sympathetic about MM, but again... no one knows what’s going on but you.

I get you are coming from a helpful perspective. It just frustrates us more, though. It’s frustrating that they don’t share what’s going on with us and to have someone say “I know but I can’t tell” just packs on the frustration. I get that’s not your intention. I’m just explaining why I responded the way I did.

I’m tired of bs and lies. If they are gonna tell ppl- it’s time to step up and face ALL of the players.

 

[Katitude]

They did lie because they said it was down temporarily and that the maps weren’t going to be lost.... pretty sure it’s gone forever. I wouldn’t know though because they don’t respond to players. Idk why we should feel sympathetic about MM, but again... no one knows what’s going on but you.

When they said it was down temporarily, they weren't lying. I know a thing or two about it, because I asked.

I get you are coming from a helpful perspective. It just frustrates us more, though. It’s frustrating that they don’t share what’s going on with us and to have someone say “I know but I can’t tell” just packs on the frustration. I get that’s not your intention. I’m just explaining why I responded the way I did.

It's not that I'm not allowed to say it. I never said that I can't say why. I did say that players take their anger towards me when I explain some things about the server that I was told.

I’m tired of bs and lies. If they are gonna tell ppl- it’s time to step up and face ALL of the players.

I definitely agree that they should explain updates and progress to all of the players. Communication is what makes a server healthy, and it's a key essential.

 

[MichaelSteve]

I would advise not using Katitude as a credible source on mapmaker as that player is not a staff member or part of the developing team.

On that fact, due to misinformation on how this player gets information, would most likely make all statements not credible to a certain extent.

 

[Firelillx]

It's not that I'm not allowed to say it. I never said that I can't say why. I did say that players take their anger towards me when I explain some things about the server that I was told.

People take their anger out bc they are already frustrated and you roll up and say you know what’s going on and we’d understand if we knew... then proceed to not tell anyone. No one is mad ppl tell you things- just that you throw it in our faces and don’t tell US.

But based on what Michael said... maybe it’s not even accurate anyways so meh.