Those jugg spammers can still win, with 2 snipers and a deag against 2 juggs, or just spam automatics, I'm complaining because 1: I wanna insult the owners who ruined the place i loved and depopulated the place to hell. 2: Well, they don't listen to the community anyways, not like they'll listen. The hope is maybe they do fix it, maybe they do something about it, well, more so telling them they messed up, that they should have actually listened, this entire thing started because of that one update no one asked for and no one wanted. Besides, what else is there to do? Not complaining won't get it fixed, complaining has a teensy weensy bit of a higher chance, but even then the damage has honestly been done beyond comprehension. No wonder why tmdpve has gotten so popular, as a matter of fact i main it now because the system is somehow worse than before, and that it's even worse to pvp. Even then did you say "A jugg spamming pains is unkillable by a new player." Not quite sure bc while writing this i didn't really take a good look but you may get my point when i say: players that have played pvp for a good long time, know how to pvp, nothing can kill them, other than 2v1 spamming and blind luck. Again, this is basically entirely to insult the mental capacity they have to make good "corporate" (I think that's the right word for this?) decisions, leading to massive drop in profits and money making for an update that tons of people said "Don't do it" to. The update was probably the biggest corporate disaster in the history of the server, taking the player count from full to <30 on it's first day. and dwindling shortly after. They didn't listen, and this is their mistake, i'm just poking fun at their minimal brain capacity for good decisions.