Compromises

[Brqd]

They are, but you're one of them, so you're just defending yourself.

Ok, buddy. I'm not trying to get in an arguement, and certainly not trying to defend myself either. The reason i say this is because I can easily attack your way of playing and point out its flaws, and all you'd do is defend yourself as well. Let me give it a go....... I'd say old TMD takes more skill because first shot doesn't win 90% of the time. In the new TMD the person with the first shot almost always wins because it is almost impossible to recover before getting shot once again. If you get double tapped you're dead no matter what. This simply means that a newbie with no armor can kill a skilled player in riot if they simply get the first shot. Wheres the balance in that?
I was just trying to have a respectful conversation while seeing both sides and saying both of them had skill. But now you've forced me, after like four selfish, one sided, biased replies, to prove my point. I am almost certain that even though I like the old TMD better, I could still beat you in the new one and the old one. So DO NOT say I am one of the try hard jugs that have no skill. Because quite honestly I've never seen you in game and your probably a complete rando who looks that the forums all days.

Sorry for the toxicity guys, I'm usually not like this. I was trying my hardest to see both sides and say they both had skill. But this kid wouldn't budge and selfishly only thought that his side was right.

*Now's the time for you to say I'm wrong and then start telling me that I can only depend on full jug and pains*
*Oh, and while you're at it you might s well point out more flaws in the old TMD because you do that super well*
*And before you go, start another argument please, because you can do that really well also*

 

[DDENGAR]

Ok, buddy. I'm not trying to get in an arguement, and certainly not trying to defend myself either. The reason i say this is because I can easily attack your way of playing and point out its flaws, and all you'd do is defend yourself as well. Let me give it a go....... I'd say old TMD takes more skill because first shot doesn't win 90% of the time. In the new TMD the person with the first shot almost always wins because it is almost impossible to recover before getting shot once again. If you get double tapped you're dead no matter what. This simply means that a newbie with no armor can kill a skilled player in riot if they simply get the first shot. Wheres the balance in that?
I was just trying to have a respectful conversation while seeing both sides and saying both of them had skill. But now you've forced me, after like four selfish, one sided, biased replies, to prove my point. I am almost certain that even though I like the old TMD better, I could still beat you in the new one and the old one. So DO NOT say I am one of the try hard jugs that have no skill. Because quite honestly I've never seen you in game and your probably a complete rando who looks that the forums all days.

Sorry for the toxicity guys, I'm usually not like this. I was trying my hardest to see both sides and say they both had skill. But this kid wouldn't budge and selfishly only thought that his side was right.

*Now's the time for you to say I'm wrong and then start telling me that I can only depend on full jug and pains*
*Oh, and while you're at it you might s well point out more flaws in the old TMD because you do that super well*
*And before you go, start another argument please, because you can do that really well also*

Which "Kid"? XD

 

[Support_Annie]

What I'm saying is people tend to be more skilled at what they prefer to do. For example: I enjoy the old tmd and you enjoy the new one. Theres a chance that you may be able to beat me in the new one, and Id beat you in the old one. This means no one is more skilled than the other, they are just more skilled at what they enjoy... Get my point?

Preference =/= skill. I don't understand how that is so hard to get? I may prefer to study mathematics simply because i enjoy it, not because i'm skilled in it. I've already mentioned the 2 aspects of skills. But the lack thereof adaptability, shows the lack thereof skill, so in a sense, those who adapted could be arguably more skilled.

 

[Brqd]

Which "Kid"? XD

HyperScrub

Preference =/= skill. I don't understand how that is so hard to get? I may prefer to study mathematics simply because i enjoy it, not because i'm skilled in it. I've already mentioned the 2 aspects of skills. But the lack thereof adaptability, shows the lack thereof skill, so in a sense, those who adapted could be arguably more skilled.

K, I don't feel like arguing anymore. I simply was trying to appeal to both sides in the beginning.... And you guys have just taken it out of hand by only seeing everything from your point of view. I wish people these days could be more open minded, but sadly were most likely dealing with teenagers here. I'm done arguing here and hopefully later on TMD will have a less toxic community. Cya, pce.

 

[Support_Annie]

HyperScrub

K, I don't feel like arguing anymore. I simply was trying to appeal to both sides in the beginning.... And you guys have just taken it out of hand by only seeing everything from your point of view. I wish people these days could be more open minded, but sadly were most likely dealing with teenagers here. I'm done arguing here and hopefully later on TMD will have a less toxic community. Cya, pce.

Because it's never your fault, and your opposition is always "toxic", easy cop out, gotta say. Of course i argue from my point of view, whose point am i supposed to argue from? I can't possibly argue from your point of view, because to me it seems like an illogical one. Also you're attempting assert a negative connotation, which well is kind of hypocritical. If I really were to have a toxic conversation, I would be overly pedantic like many others in the community and point out that it's we're not were, but I don't use that, because I hate cop outs. You can call the server edgy kids, teens, autistic, or whatever new term people like to use as a tactic to poison the well, but at the end of the day only you know what you've done. Instead of arguing a point, you poison the well and initiate excuses to cover for the lack of facts and logic.

 

[_Tachi_]

Because it's never your fault, and your opposition is always "toxic", easy cop out, gotta say. Of course i argue from my point of view, whose point am i supposed to argue from? I can't possibly argue from your point of view, because to me it seems like an illogical one. Also you're attempting assert a negative connotation, which well is kind of hypocritical. If I really were to have a toxic conversation, I would be overly pedantic like many others in the community and point out that it's we're not were, but I don't use that, because I hate cop outs. You can call the server edgy kids, teens, autistic, or whatever new term people like to use as a tactic to poison the well, but at the end of the day only you know what you've done. Instead of arguing a point, you poison the well and initiate excuses to cover for the lack of facts and logic.

Evreyone! Stop arguing! Berfore staff gets involved!

 

[Tubcat101]

Oh no! Not staff!

 

[Tubcat101]

Oh no! Not staff!

 

[_Tachi_]

Oh no! Not staff!

*gasps* DUN DUN DUN!

 

[Rejante]

What do all y'all hate so much about staff? They're great, respectful, and straight up good outstanding people! How could you be so cruel to be afraid of them? They're harmless unless provoked.

 

[Tubcat101]

What do all y'all hate so much about staff? They're great, respectful, and straight up good outstanding people! How could you be so cruel to be afraid of them? They're harmless unless provoked.

What are you talking about XD

 

[Tubcat101]

What do all y'all hate so much about staff? They're great, respectful, and straight up good outstanding people! How could you be so cruel to be afraid of them? They're harmless unless provoked.

What are you talking about XD

 

[_Tachi_]

What do all y'all hate so much about staff? They're great, respectful, and straight up good outstanding people! How could you be so cruel to be afraid of them? They're harmless unless provoked.

It was sarcasm.

And that description kinda sounds like me (that last sentence)

 

[Brqd]

I feel like adding an "old tmd" is basically saying "if you don't have enough skill to play the new map, go here"

Hell no xD I believe its more of a personal preference. People have their different interests and that has nothing to do with skill. Lets say two people are professional artists that make the same amount of money. One draws comics and the other draws realistic pieces. Neither of them are more skilled overall than the the other, they are both skilled equally at different things. It simply comes down to what they prefer to do. BigMike and Jahango are still two of the best player on TMD even with the update, but the fact that they would rather have the old TMD does not mean they are not skilled. They just have a personal preference on what they find more enjoyable.
Some people like the unrealistic action packed fights more than strategically camping to get first shot. Its just a personal preference thing. Neither side is more skilled then the other, they both just enjoy their own things. That's what people need to understand.

@Support_Annie does it really seem like I was trying to start anything in my first comment? I was just trying to appeal to both sides. This whole argument got out of hand when I just kept getting bashed. Like honestly, can't you guys just simply see that people can't help what they enjoy to do more. I respect everyone who plays the new tmd. But it sadly seems that everyone in the new tmd hates the old players...

 

[Kanyay]

@Support_Annie does it really seem like I was trying to start anything in my first comment? I was just trying to appeal to both sides. This whole argument got out of hand when I just kept getting bashed. Like honestly, can't you guys just simply see that people can't help what they enjoy to do more. I respect everyone who plays the new tmd. But it sadly seems that everyone in the new tmd hates the old players...

We don't hate all the old players, we just hate the ones that consume more drugs than Ozzy Osbourne, in a single day, and run around in juggernaut armour killing everything that moves.

 

[_Tachi_]

We don't hate all the old players, we just hate the ones that consume more drugs than Ozzy Osbourne, in a single day, and run around in juggernaut armour killing everything that moves.

Even the bunnies that now spawn.....

 

[Rejante]

It's just a prank guys, it's pretty obvious that you were being sarcastic.

 

[Support_Annie]

@Support_Annie does it really seem like I was trying to start anything in my first comment? I was just trying to appeal to both sides. This whole argument got out of hand when I just kept getting bashed. Like honestly, can't you guys just simply see that people can't help what they enjoy to do more. I respect everyone who plays the new tmd. But it sadly seems that everyone in the new tmd hates the old players...

"does it really seem like I was trying to start anything in my first comment?"
Did I claim you were? You are often criticized for the results of your actions, not the intentions of it. You aren't free from criticism simply because you had well intentions.

"I was just trying to appeal to both sides."
Your point?

"This whole argument got out of hand when I just kept getting bashed."
Edvidence+Context please, quote it. You and your ideas aren't free from critique, but if I did solely use an adhominem, point it out.

"Like honestly, can't you guys just simply see that people can't help what they enjoy to do more."
I can see and understand that people have preferences. What I can't see is how preference equates to skill. I have no problem letting people do what they enjoy, but when people make false claims and commit false equivalencies, i step in.

"I respect everyone who plays the new tmd."
You can respect and critique people at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.

"But it sadly seems that everyone in the new tmd hates the old players..."
Whilst this seems to be a hasty generalization, I won't pick on you for that, instead I will leave you with this, critique doesn't necessarily with "hate" and trying to poison the well with this intellectually dishonest argument, is simply dishonest.

 

[Montu151]

You see, the thing is the best players on this server are probably people like jahango, 5oup, and bigmike. Like someone else said, most people can adapt to the new changes. The thing is, OP tmd was the thing for a very, very long time. Everyone got used to that and liked it. Most people could still fight without pains, but the thing is people dont like 2 second fights. With a barret, you can drop a riot 2 shots sometimes one. With inf, you spend your limit on gear then you got one or 2 shot. The Vets/pros dont like how it is now, though they still can pvp. Its not a matter of them being noobs, because they have been here for a long time. Hell, i have killed fulls with riot on op tmd. Just the point is that the vets go to OP because they like it, not because they are noob and want "fairness"

 

[Brqd]

What I can't see is how preference equates to skill.

Why haven't I seen you comment on someone that said the people who like OP TMD have no skill then? If I remember correctly you may have said it before or supported someone who said it. I may be wrong though. But I do know for sure that you have not corrected them by saying preference does not equate to skill. You seem to just be pointing me out for that.

Jackson said something that I extremely agree with.

The Vets/pros dont like how it is now, though they still can pvp. Its not a matter of them being noobs, because they have been here for a long time. Hell, i have killed fulls with riot on op tmd. Just the point is that the vets go to OP because they like it, not because they are noob and want "fairness"

We OG players (aka. the OP tmd Players) don't have anything against you guys in the new server.... Why does it seem you have to give us hate?

^^^Probably shouldn't have said that because we all know you're just going to find someway to prove me wrong. Please just discard that...
Thanks.

 

[Support_Annie]

Why haven't I seen you comment on someone that said the people who like OP TMD have no skill then? If I remember correctly you may have said it before or supported someone who said it. I may be wrong though. But I do know for sure that you have not corrected them by saying preference does not equate to skill. You seem to just be pointing me out for that.

Jackson said something that I extremely agree with.


We OG players (aka. the OP tmd Players) don't have anything against you guys in the new server.... Why does it seem you have to give us hate?

^^^Probably shouldn't have said that because we all know you're just going to find someway to prove me wrong. Please just discard that...
Thanks.

"Why haven't I seen you comment on someone that said the people who like OP TMD have no skill then?"
Because in essence, through the two methods of quantifying skill as i mentioned earlier, OP TMD would fall under the category of less mechanically skilled and hence less skilled. Furthermore, I was also quantifying a players capacity to adapt, hence I technically agree with what people are saying about how OP TMD is a less skill based server. (I.e pains mechanic)

" If I remember correctly you may have said it before or supported someone who said it. I may be wrong though. But I do know for sure that you have not corrected them by saying preference does not equate to skill. You seem to just be pointing me out for that."

Because I believe what they are saying is logical so I don't call them out for it. On the other hand, what i see you doing is dismissing the fact that a players capacity to adapt to the meta is a form of skill. That's what im calling you out for.

"We OG players (aka. the OP tmd Players) don't have anything against you guys in the new server.... Why does it seem you have to give us hate?"

I don't hate anyone on the OP TMD server, some of my friends are on there, what I hate is people dismissing logical facts, i.e the ones that have been mentioned in this thread. Critique and the dismissal of logic and fact doesn't necessarily come with hatred, stop poisoning the well.

 

[Brqd]

"Why haven't I seen you comment on someone that said the people who like OP TMD have no skill then?"
Because in essence, through the two methods of quantifying skill as i mentioned earlier, OP TMD would fall under the category of less mechanically skilled and hence less skilled. Furthermore, I was also quantifying a players capacity to adapt, hence I technically agree with what people are saying about how OP TMD is a less skill based server. (I.e pains mechanic)

" If I remember correctly you may have said it before or supported someone who said it. I may be wrong though. But I do know for sure that you have not corrected them by saying preference does not equate to skill. You seem to just be pointing me out for that."

Because I believe what they are saying is logical so I don't call them out for it. On the other hand, what i see you doing is dismissing the fact that a players capacity to adapt to the meta is a form of skill. That's what im calling you out for.

"We OG players (aka. the OP tmd Players) don't have anything against you guys in the new server.... Why does it seem you have to give us hate?"

I don't hate anyone on the OP TMD server, some of my friends are on there, what I hate is people dismissing logical facts, i.e the ones that have been mentioned in this thread. Critique and the dismissal of logic and fact doesn't necessarily come with hatred, stop poisoning the well.

Just because there are pains doesn't mean it takes no skill. Infact, the most skilled players on the server play on the OP TMD. In the new TMD a nonskilled player can win against a skilled one simply by getting the first shot. There's no skill in that. In my opinion the New server has a more camping pvp strategy which isn't fun. Its either camping or dying quickly out in the opinion. Thats just my opinion.