Who's responsible for the current status of the server

[Challenge_]

My point of this post is (continued)

I will not blame gameplay alone on the death of the serer. Theres a lot of loose gears.

But here's what I WILL say regarding gameplay. The problem isn't that pains had a cooldown or not. It's that they tried to appease two different playstyles with one mode. I absolutely despise tanking. I want the game to require a different set of skills, because that framework is what I'm personally better at. I want shots to count. If you stick your neck out too far and get jumped and die, you deserve it. I don't believe pains should be there to save you for a poorly executed plan. But I know that there's a tanking meta that likes pains. So what should have happened is this, in my opinion.

Fix TMDC to be more like TMDOP but still have some of its current elements. Larger map, but nowhere near as big as TMDPVP. No parachutes. Safezones that allow Gate PvP. And yes, spam pains. But for those of us with my mindset, make TMDPVP more like TMDHardcore was. Maybe not that extreme, but at least separate it from TMDC. Making loot rare as hell. Fights will be low-loot/no-loot and much more intense as keeping your gear actually matters.

I cant blame gameplay entirely. But it was an element, and not like you sere saying Curbie. It scared both groups away. TMDC wasn't like TMDOP was, and it came out around the time with cooldown-pains. This scared a lot of the tanking-meta based mindsets away. Meanwhile, I was in heaven that they had a challenging mode out with TMDPVP. But then they decided to bring spam-pains back. This is what pushed me away (partly). From my standpoint, TMDC and TMDPVP are the same exact meta. They're redundant, and now theres no challenging mode for people like me.

 

[Verbramdt]

It's possible to spam pains on TMDPVP-1 and TMDPVE-1, and if you want to use bandages / medpacks, you can run while using them now, and you always can play TMD Classic.

Infinite money cap is now 200k

Not all of the staff members are living in the same timezone, this could be a reason you aren't seeing every staff member

 

[Shadowhab]

@Curbie By what I've seen, all the new players actually want to help make this server better. Og's just want stuff that benefits themselves. And I can tell you that what we actually need is for the ENTIRE community to come together on things. Also, AK-47's are full auto. Suck it up.

 

[Firelillx]

This may come off as rude what I'm about to say but gosh darn it this really grinds my gears when threads come down to this.

Why does it matter if you are "og" what is the point of being an older player, what do people seriously want a gold star by there name on forums because they have been here longer then other players?

It does not matter if you have been here longer then someone else, just because you have a few more months of running around the server then someone else doesn't mean a thing. You are either a player or a staff member, you are either with us and support us or you are against us and we just don't care (at least I don't).

Doesn't matter if you have been here longer, doesn't matter if you are taller, doesn't matter if you are fatter, doesn't matter if you are older. At this point all we see is when players say they are "og" they think we should give them special treatment but it doesn't work that way. This server exist for the fans and for players who actually enjoy our game modes despite who they are or how long they have been here we are all players.

To piggy back off of this.. OG kids feel entitled because they helped the server grow. Yes, older pvp players did contribute to the peak of Havoc’s success. However, because they have the inability to let go to the “good ole days” they have also crippled the server. A lot of these “OG” guys are banned.. for toxicity and/or hacking. It is possible to be responsible for Havoc’s success and demise at the same time. I don’t blame OGs for either, but sure they contributed.

The server is dying for many reasons. We can’t just throw one blanket statement why it is- as there are a lot of factors going on. Minecraft as a whole is losing popularity and TWD itself is losing fans. There’s also the actual way the server is run and the dip****s we call a community (sorry).

If you are a quote “OG” and are banned.. it’s time to just let go. At this point, you guys with your childish bull**** are destroying this server even faster.

Being OG used to be “cool”, but now it’s more of an insult. I pity people who are banned, yet can’t let go so bad that they literally still harass the community of which they are banned from. Clearly I am directing this at banned OGs and newly unbanned OGs and not everyone.

Here’s what we are all thinking- y’all are the jake Paul’s of this server. No one likes you, but you continue you flex and act like you are tough. We get it bois. Youza savage bruh (cringe).

 

[DDENGAR]

To piggy back off of this.. OG kids feel entitled because they helped the server grow. Yes, older pvp players did contribute to the peak of Havoc’s success. However, because they have the inability to let go to the “good ole days” they have also crippled the server. A lot of these “OG” guys are banned.. for toxicity and/or hacking. It is possible to be responsible for Havoc’s success and demise at the same time. I don’t blame OGs for either, but sure they contributed.

The server is dying for many reasons. We can’t just throw one blanket statement why it is- as there are a lot of factors going on. Minecraft as a whole is losing popularity and TWD itself is losing fans. There’s also the actually way the server is run and the dip****s we call a community (sorry).

If you are a quote “OG” and are banned.. it’s time to just let go. At this point, you guys with your childish bull**** are destroying this server even faster.

Being OG used to be “cool”, but now it’s more of an insult. I pity people who are banned, yet can’t let go so bad that they literally still harass the community of which they are banned from. Clearly I am directing this at banned OGs and newly unbanned OGs and not everyone.

Here’s what we are all thinking- y’all are the jake Paul’s of this server. No one likes you, but you continue you flex and act like you are tough. We get it bois. Youza savage bruh (cringe).

I wouldn't say Jake Paul...we all know about this one kid who everyone wants out of this server...

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

@Cat_Squirrel_Inc -- This is the point of me making this post. Server is too poor. It might die soon. They are basically scamming us when they said they gonna giveaway money for number 1 on ./leaders and now they said they cant afford it.

just answered ya questions truthfully, not much to it, bb

 

[Cactiee]

@Curbie By what I've seen, all the new players actually want to help make this server better. Og's just want stuff that benefits themselves. And I can tell you that what we actually need is for the ENTIRE community to come together on things. Also, AK-47's are full auto. Suck it up.

What you've seen.....

okay this kid is legit going to **** me off. But ill give you one last chance

Staff issues. EVEN these staffs are living in different timezone. i still never seen them. I live in asia. and i normally stay up from 7 am to 3 am. (yes i only sleep 3 hours.) Sometimes i just chat while not playing the game. well guess what? no staff at all ya *******.

OG Benefiting ourselves? man...... **** outta here. we are trying to make the server back it used to be. not benefiting ourselves.

"Infinite money cap is now 200k"

Definition. Infinite--- unlimited. its basically asking "Who isn't here please raise your hand"

Ak-47 could be automatic. or semi automatic. kid ya never watch movies???
If they wanna make ak spams. make them have actual recoil and they do miss shots. OR Buff the painkillers

New players helping the server. Like what? @Shadowhab I've seen your post that wanna make ranks like subsribtions. what you think this is? world of warcraft? Learn some marketing logic/gaming techniques/maybe learn abit english.

 

[KyronicGaming]

My point of this post is


The server is ****ing dead.
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Problem of the staff team ------ Yall *******es hiring these new players as staff member. Some of them dont even know how things work in tmd. Such as ...... Ranked players command ,SS , rules.
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Builder problems..... small problem. i love the builders. thanks for building <3
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AUTOMATIC GUN PROBLEM AND THE PLAY STYLE. THAT IS A BIG MOTHER****ING ISSUE

Lets explain.

You can empty an ak47 in 10 sec. 3 bullets per sec. 5 damage per bullet . 150 damage per min. Yall want me to tank that **** when yall keep adding medical cool down?.

now. lemme give yall a solution for it. Instead of making it full automatic. Make it Semi automatic like old days. 1 click 1 bullet.
Not some stupid *** 1 click 30 bullets.
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Ban evades. ah..... this actually small prob. cause its actually boosting player numbers

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The fact that you are all OG toxic....... it's basically bull****
Sometimes we swear doesn't mean we toxic, but we are arguing about stuff between wars,teams and ****s.
In the deep side, we still friend with each other. No hating.

IF YOU SHOW NO HATE TO US. We won't SHOW HATE TO YOU. BUT INSTEAD YOU GONNA BE A LIL **** AND CALLING US OG TOXIC. then I cant help you.

@Shadowhab --I know you like this community, but please don't think things on 1 side only. Think about other people's perspective.
@Cat_Squirrel_Inc -- This is the point of me making this post. Server is too poor. It might die soon. They are basically scamming us when they said they gonna giveaway money for number 1 on ./leaders and now they said they cant afford it.
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And to all of yall *******es flaming OG
Server took 6 months to decrease the painkiller cooldown to 0.1 sec. SERVER DID NOT DIE BECAUSE OF WANT WE WANTED.

MEDICAL COOLDOWN
AUTOMATIC SPAMMING
JUGG NERF
MYTHICAL RANK (50/50)

You think we wanted those? NO HELL NAH THOSE ****S DISGUSTING
Those are created by OWNERS. NOT US. OWNERS KILLED THE SERVER. NOT US OG.

Curbie this had the ability to be a great response but the attitude kinda killed it a bit. Let's be completely honest toxic behaviour has had its hand in killing the server, I'm not shifting the blame, I'm sharing it. Every single group has had its hand in killing the server, Whether you're the players, the moderation team, the owners, the devs, or the builders we have all played a part in destroying what once was great. The owners work very hard and I see that so it pains me to say that yes they are currently the main problem, but instead of attacking, insulting and demanding change people need to shake up the attitude, and that goes for everyone. No one treats people like humans on this server anymore it's really disgusting from an outside perspective, you really think people want to join THIS community?

You wouldn't walk into a barbers, bully him, call him names, demand stuff, annoy other customers and expect a good haircut would you? Same goes for this.

The owners also need to be more responsive in communication. @Jacobg1998 I've asked I believe twice now to no response when the map update post is out. The forums have been boring these past two weeks and it will shake things up. Overall I'm saying this now you don't have to change how you respond, I know you work very hard as is, but I think you need a community manager that you are actively speaking too and who can create posts on the front of the website. Leave the communication to them, use them as a bridge between you and the players.

Other things that have been repeated many times:
"Minewars community has been ****ed around" - Agreed, ask @MichaelSteve I believe the map is done, honestly we just need to hire more devs and get that out asap. This also goes for Hellnight and MapMaker.

"The pvp system is crap now" - It has gotten way too complicated to understand what groups want what out of pvp, I believe we need a massive multiple question poll and forum post that looks at every aspect from pvp to see what the majority wants. This would either be created by the owners or a new community manager.

"tmd is boring and is pretty much kit pvp" - Honestly this would change if we had a rewarding tmd experience. This means nerfing mythical which hands everything to you on a plate, getting more players so that berx isn't the only active place, and creating more gameplay elements other than fight, survive, fight, die, go berx, buy ****, repeat. I have a brand new base system video coming out soon so please be on the lookout for that.

Overall we've all done ****, as Dave said to Rick in season 2 "ain't nobody's hands clean in what's left of this world" Let's stop pretending one group is Lucifer and the other Mary mother of Jesus. Let's all drop our massive egos for once and actually do something productive.

Owners: Have more communication whether that's from you or through a community manager.

Players: Have some respect, leave the insults out of the suggestions and invite your friends to play on map update day

Moderation team: Be more harsh towards toxic behaviour, free speech is amazing but if it isnt productive and is causing harm whether that be in the long term or short term. Remove and warn.

Devs: Let's get more

Thanks for reading everyone.

 

[Saccccc]

Honestly at this point is obvious what is hurting the server and that is the players, specifically the ones who claim to be "og". These are the ones who cant accept things have to change. For the past year and whatever months we have been explaining over and over that the server system server has to make the changes that it is currently enduring. Again we know players hate things are no longer the op/ pay to win aspect but it all has to go by order of the higher higher powers so our server is equal to all players. Basically a new player who just joins has to have the same advantages that the players who have been playing for years have (also servers cant be play to win at all). We currently have 4 developers including both the owners but again at this point the server has to change its pvp foundation and its a back and forth battle on the developing side and honestly my hats off to the developers at this point cause they are having to go thru the most frustrating time in the servers life cause no matter what happens they are going to get a large amount of hate.

We have a large amount of builders, I myself will most likely be here for Havoc till the end of my days. We just a couple weeks ago completed our biggest and proudest update for the servers map and cant wait for everyone to see it. We have great plans for the future of tmd build wise and hopefully eventually we can update our server itself from the ancient age to the new age.

The server still maintains a good amount of revenue, MineWars was taking up a lot with the developing cost so it was discontinued but we builders have hopes of it returning one day.

At the moment The owners have something in the works that will welcome many new players but thats there place to discuss.

I cant speak for training of the staff team, I just know I would do things way different in terms of training and moderation style that the server currently has.

Hope I answered a good portion of your question if not feel free to message me.

lol we have accepted it we just don't like it so that's why a lot of players have quit, and staff don't seem to realize that the server is dead af and isn't gonna do **** about it, and if they have realized they just don't give a **** about what the players think and want, we miss the old tmd, but like I had said they owners and staff just don't seem to give a **** about that the players want.

 

[general2673]

Curbie this had the ability to be a great response but the attitude kinda killed it a bit. Let's be completely honest toxic behaviour has had its hand in killing the server, I'm not shifting the blame, I'm sharing it. Every single group has had its hand in killing the server, Whether you're the players, the moderation team, the owners, the devs, or the builders we have all played a part in destroying what once was great. The owners work very hard and I see that so it pains me to say that yes they are currently the main problem, but instead of attacking, insulting and demanding change people need to shake up the attitude, and that goes for everyone. No one treats people like humans on this server anymore it's really disgusting from an outside perspective, you really think people want to join THIS community?

You wouldn't walk into a barbers, bully him, call him names, demand stuff, annoy other customers and expect a good haircut would you? Same goes for this.

The owners also need to be more responsive in communication. @Jacobg1998 I've asked I believe twice now to no response when the map update post is out. The forums have been boring these past two weeks and it will shake things up. Overall I'm saying this now you don't have to change how you respond, I know you work very hard as is, but I think you need a community manager that you are actively speaking too and who can create posts on the front of the website. Leave the communication to them, use them as a bridge between you and the players.

Other things that have been repeated many times:
"Minewars community has been ****ed around" - Agreed, ask @MichaelSteve I believe the map is done, honestly we just need to hire more devs and get that out asap. This also goes for Hellnight and MapMaker.

"The pvp system is crap now" - It has gotten way too complicated to understand what groups want what out of pvp, I believe we need a massive multiple question poll and forum post that looks at every aspect from pvp to see what the majority wants. This would either be created by the owners or a new community manager.

"tmd is boring and is pretty much kit pvp" - Honestly this would change if we had a rewarding tmd experience. This means nerfing mythical which hands everything to you on a plate, getting more players so that berx isn't the only active place, and creating more gameplay elements other than fight, survive, fight, die, go berx, buy ****, repeat. I have a brand new base system video coming out soon so please be on the lookout for that.

Overall we've all done ****, as Dave said to Rick in season 2 "ain't nobody's hands clean in what's left of this world" Let's stop pretending one group is Lucifer and the other Mary mother of Jesus. Let's all drop our massive egos for once and actually do something productive.

Owners: Have more communication whether that's from you or through a community manager.

Players: Have some respect, leave the insults out of the suggestions and invite your friends to play on map update day

Moderation team: Be more harsh towards toxic behaviour, free speech is amazing but if it isnt productive and is causing harm whether that be in the long term or short term. Remove and warn.

Devs: Let's get more

Thanks for reading everyone.

its been more than two weeks since they went ghost. igniting has never really been their public relations guy but to see jacob vanish is worrying. hes active on the server "behind the curtains" but responds very little to anyone.

I urge everyone- when making a suggestion dont think about YOU think about the SERVER. Do your part to help the server- or at the very least dont add to its demise. you dont have to be a staff to help new players, you dont have to be a dev to make suggestions. and for the love of god- stop saying "server dead"- its not dead until the last player leaves. dying? yes. cancer patients are dying as well. radiation treatment (painful short term but helpful longterm), to destroy the cancer is their only chance. or they could just be like "oh i have cancer, well **** it im dead" and not even try to fight it. The server still has hope as far as im concerned.

If your going to post something that does nothing to help the community or server- keep it to your damn self. i think the majority of people are sick of seeing the same complaints by the same couple people- if they have not been implemented by now its not gonna happen.when dealing with people i live by a rule- respect until disrespected. Im sure ill be flashing back to this post in about 24 hours as someone writes some toxic post. But im still holding out hope that you can change/leave.

I think the staff need to create a rule(s) regarding toxicity and crackdown on it. as a community we have reached a point where things will have to get worse before they get better. as the owners are not taking charge and we have no admin, nor community manager it falls to the next in line being @Beetley and @Kendrq to basically declare this "crackdown" on the forums. certain people need to leave, change their ways, or be removed. The owners may be content standing in the shadows for whatever reason- i however am not and im hoping one of you are not either.
=general

ps i wrote this at 5am so its slightly more sloppy than i would have liked

 

[KyronicGaming]

owners and staff just don't seem to give a **** about that the players want.

You say below a post completely proving that wrong.

 

[DDENGAR]

I have to be fairly honest, just because if someone doesn't like your opinion doesn't mean they have the right to try and mute you off the server. You can disagree with stuff but trying to disregard and tell someone to stfu is just wrong. I always believed if the staff wants more rules, they should start by first following it themselves and leading by example, not try and nitpick the things they want but tell the owners to listen to the players without going through this filter of having things first approved by the staff/build team.
I personally have seen many ex-staff or staff members get away with breaking rules that were enforced onto other people. You can't establish any rules if you allow for certain people bypass it and have it on the opposite to purposely mute/ban someone just because you don't like them. I don't really want to go into details unless I want to make a whole thread about why the staff(includes builders I didn't say moderation team) on this server never seem to get why people hate them...
As I said before, everyone here takes responsibility in the downfall, of the server. Some people more and some people less. Don't be that guy trying to blame everyone else except yourself, cuz some people know what you/your group has done here. It's counterproductive to argue over whose fault. Just suck it up that there are many big factors in how this server was ruined by us.

 

[Cactiee]

OWNERS ARE TOO QUIET.
STAFFS ARE TOO WEAK.
DEVS.... WE NEED MOOOOOORE

 

[Shadowhab]

Y'know, insulting someone while trying to make a point doesn't help your point at all. It makes you look immature.

 

[KyronicGaming]

OWNERS ARE TOO QUIET.
STAFFS ARE TOO WEAK.
DEVS.... WE NEED MOOOOOORE

Here we are, I held my hand out to you to have a mature and reasonable discussion and you throw it back in my face. The next thing we know you're saying we don't listen. No. You don't listen.

 

[scubadiverkitty1]

OG or Not OG. I dont care. We have the same goal. That is making this server better again. so please. stop with the "Toxic" stuff. just.... get along with it

Your the one who has been being toxic.

 

[Cactiee]

Your the one who has been being toxic.

so the definition of being toxic = contains swear words inside of a sentence?. k.....

 

[scubadiverkitty1]

so the definition of being toxic = contains swear words inside of a sentence?. k.....

Uhm Yeah lol

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

Uhm Yeah lol

Not necessarily, but it is certainly a variable. For example:

"GIRL my *** hurts like a *****" -- is not inherently toxic.
BUT:
"GIRL you look like a ***** ***" -- is toxic.

Depends on connotation, context, and other dependencies.

 

[seuboi]

thats why its kinda bs to have a chat filter, you can't fill in the context. Except when the given place - this server, where toxicity has always been sky high.