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  • Nerfing the Spas

    Boscafano

    Titan
    Boscafano
    Boscafano Boscafano
    Since everyone seems to complain about, "Spas Spam" and "Lack of skill" when someone uses the spas, it's about time we talk about the issue of THE OVERPOWERED SPAS being nerfed.

    Let me first state, that I am fully in support of the spas being nerfed in terms of damage and fire rate. I whole heartedly believe that it would create much more balanced and fun PvP, while also forcing players to use other guns such as the M60 and AK47 (Both of which are good guns, just overshadowed by the power of the spas at close range).

    The spas does 10.0 damage per pellet, which of course is the best of all the shotguns available in terms of damage done. The compliment to this however, is the fire rate at which you can fire the spas. It takes 03.44 seconds to fire a whole clip of the spas and just for comparison, it takes 6.45 seconds to fire 6 rounds from the Mossberg (The tier 3 shotgun). I am aware that the spas in real life is a very powerful weapon, but this is a Minecraft PvP server where there are some serious balancing issues in the PvP system.

    Anyone really can look at the prior stats and figure out in a second that the spas is the go to weapon on the server for close range. Obviously this leads to many fights beginning and ending with a quick 2 or 3 hit succession with the spas, resulting in a quick kill. Countering this with the M60, AK or Barrett is very challenging as none of those can really compare to the speed and power that the spas puts out at close range.

    Clearly, many people on the server rely on the spas which, would trigger many people to backlash at any changes made to it, but I think at this point it should be necessary. I fully supported the removal of comboing from the server as it was a cheap bug used to kill someone fast. Of course this just resulted in people reverting back to just spamming the spas and getting kills just as quickly (There is always problems).

    My only suggestions to Nerf the spas to make it more balanced would be to either decrease it's fire rate or lower it's damage significantly. The fire rate between shots being increased would open the user up to being shot down by someone using an M60 or an AK easier, as they won't have to worry about 3 consecutive spas rounds flying at them in under 2 seconds. The damage being lowered would simply increase the survival rate of the victims of a spas spam and give them more time to counter with either their own spas or another gun entirely.

    Either way, I believe that this issue needs to be fixed once and for all by the Owners as it has always been a complaint I have seen in the community and now more than every since comboing has been removed.

    TLDR; Spas OP pls nerf
     

    TrueViolett

    Mythical
    JosieViolent20
    JosieViolent20 JosieViolent20
    Unless... of course...
    You're afraid that the legend of the spas' defeat may result in your very own undoing... *Spooky ghost noises* :eek:
     

    Falaras

    Titan
    Falaras
    Falaras Falaras
    I use the spas 12 almost all the time against other players, and other players use the spas 12 almost all the time on me, and after winning and losing dozens of fights with spas's, both against players in full riot and jugg, i can agree that the spas 12 is extremely overpowered and should be nerfed.
    as for the players which will lose spas's from their ender chest and inventories, i think it should be replaced with money, like money from crates, which once clicked will give the player the amount of money the Spas costs from Rick.
     

    UterZorker

    Mythical
    UterZorker
    UterZorker UterZorker
    I use the spas 12 almost all the time against other players, and other players use the spas 12 almost all the time on me, and after winning and losing dozens of fights with spas's, both against players in full riot and jugg, i can agree that the spas 12 is extremely overpowered and should be nerfed.
    as for the players which will lose spas's from their ender chest and inventories, i think it should be replaced with money, like money from crates, which once clicked will give the player the amount of money the Spas costs from Rick.
    No i think the old spas's will start to die over time but when its nerfed it must be a secret so nobody starts hording them
     

    _Tachi_

    Champion
    _Tachi_
    _Tachi_ _Tachi_
    Im fine with this, because yesterday at maybe 5:00 est i took down a biker hafl jugg that was fully equipped with tier 4 guns, pains with military that i scavenged at foxworth along with an mp5 ( no clips ), a remington (10 shells extra), and a glock with a couple clips. (I had kit glenn btw)

    When he came in for his first strike with a spas, i strafed his first spas shot (thanks to chlnge's tmd guide) and i managed to nail a couple renington shots while he looped around, switing to the mp5 when he got out of shotgun range. Whn he came in for his second strike, he had his katana out and was ready to melle me to death, so, when he got off his bike, i nailed him with like 5 remingtoon shots and comboed with the mp5, and before he had the chance to pain, he died :p

    Also,a special thanks to chlnge, because his tmd guide saved my life (literally)
     

    _Tachi_

    Champion
    _Tachi_
    _Tachi_ _Tachi_
    If the spas was made a legendary, first of all, we aould need a new shotgun. Also, so many people have the spas right now, that the spas would still be a common gun in jugg's arsenal.
     

    Boscafano

    Titan
    Boscafano
    Boscafano Boscafano
    Im fine with this, because yesterday at maybe 5:00 est i took down a biker hafl jugg that was fully equipped with tier 4 guns, pains with military that i scavenged at foxworth along with an mp5 ( no clips ), a remington (10 shells extra), and a glock with a couple clips. (I had kit glenn btw)

    When he came in for his first strike with a spas, i strafed his first spas shot (thanks to chlnge's tmd guide) and i managed to nail a couple renington shots while he looped around, switing to the mp5 when he got out of shotgun range. Whn he came in for his second strike, he had his katana out and was ready to melle me to death, so, when he got off his bike, i nailed him with like 5 remingtoon shots and comboed with the mp5, and before he had the chance to pain, he died :p

    Also,a special thanks to chlnge, because his tmd guide saved my life (literally)
    Whoever that half jugg was should be ashamed, because that is just about the worst performance I have ever heard of. Regardless, If you replay that fight 9 times out of 10 the half jugg would win purely just by landing 2 shots with the spas.
     

    _Tachi_

    Champion
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    _Tachi_ _Tachi_
    Yea, i managed to barley dodge most of the spas shots, even though a couple hit me and my armor saved me, later i used the guys pains to heal :p
     

    TrueViolett

    Mythical
    JosieViolent20
    JosieViolent20 JosieViolent20
    If EVREY pellet lands im pretty sure it could one-shot a jugg cause the damage is 10x 6pellets so im pretty sure it could oneshot a jugg
    Yes - Just about. Especially if there's good headshots. Me and kai were full jugg 1v1ing last night, and I had to use 6 full spas shots to kill him, with no other shots included. I'm not for sure how many pellets hit him, however it did do enough.
     

    TrueViolett

    Mythical
    JosieViolent20
    JosieViolent20 JosieViolent20
    Sneak up behind full jugg, and fire spas into head. Its insta-kill (irl there goes their head)
    Well, it depends if the "(Name) has requested to trade with you" thing pops up and if they're foolishly going afk in a non-pvp zone. You will almost never get this opportunity, since a good majority of the full juggs on TMD will start screaming like little 12 year old girls reacting to the times when Justin Beiber was slightly attractive. Man, that dropped so low beyond zero in the past few years...

    Sigh... And then the death threats and all that start rolling in.
     

    ArmenTheHeli

    Titan
    MemenTheMeme
    MemenTheMeme MemenTheMeme
    I didnt trade request I just walked up to him while he was in a corner, shot him with a spas, gave him some regen time, and repeated until I accidentally killed him