I respected HavocMC until this moment

[TriggeredCreeper]

Ok, first of all, sorry for the negativity, I'm not normally like this but I felt it had to be pointed out and it may help the server a little bit, and also this isn't personal to any staff at all.

So let's get into things. I was playing TMD just like normal, and I attended a war at CDC. There was this player called LaggingIsTooEasy (hardcore rank) who I managed to kill the first time. However, he came back (from berx) and while I was near the elevator (bear in mind that I did not press the button to go down), all of a sudden I was forced to stay still and constantly look up at a point in the ceiling, and I was like "What is going on?!". And then, I got killed by getting shot through the CEILING by LaggingIsTooEasy who was using a spas! And this started out an argument.

I thought myself lucky when I found a helper (won't mention their name as this isn't personal) and pm'd them about the cheater, saying "Can you watch over LaggingIsTooEasy please because I believe he cheated to kill me". No response. Then, I still carried on arguing about the offender (who in my opinion was trying to hide the fact that he was cheating), and then I asked the staff member this time in public the same thing and he said he couldn't... And then, while we were still arguing, LaggingIsTooEasy said "hackusator!" and I was, almost immediately, temporarily muted for 15 minutes.

Now this is what got me really mad: barely ANYTHING was done in my favour, however I was the one who got punished, not the cheater?! Note: I do understand that Hackusating is in fact against the rules, and so i'm not complaining because I got the temp mute, but rather complaining because nothing was done in my favour. Heck, i'm the one trying to help the server out and I get the punishment... Unfortunately I didn't have any recording software open at the time, and so I simply couldn't report him by opening a ticket.

I really think the staff need to work on improving their ways of eliminating hackers. What you've got to remember is that not everyone has recording software right at their fingertips ready to record a hacker at any time. Screenshots won't prove much as they cannot prove that I was forced to look in a certain direction; but rather only show that i'm looking up at the ceiling. And helpers cannot even watch over hackers? Make this a rhetorical question, if hackers cannot directly help with removing cheaters what can they do? (remember i'm not deliberately being mean to a specific person). With your current system, it isn't hard to say that many hackers get away with their actions.

So this is my suggestion: make helpers be able to watch over people who have been accused of hacking. (I have considered the fact that some cheater alerts may be a hoax; however for those that do bring hoax alerts, then there could be punishments put in place to stop them.) Or maybe, bring more moderators/people who can watch over somebody to the server? If something isn't done with this issue I feel like there are a lot of hackers who are going to get away with this kind of stuff. And what does that lead to? Negativity in the popularity of the server, and nobody in their right mind wants that, surely!

I used to respect the server as a whole with its brilliant Mining Dead experience, but this particular issue has made me a little annoyed to say the least. If anything gets put in place that might help with this issue, whether it be my ideas or even better ones that you come up with, i'd be more than happy to see it, and look forward to being able to get rid of cheaters easier .

 

[TriggeredCreeper]

Something else I forgot to mention: I read the rules and it said the punishments for Hackusating were that you would first get warned before any mutes would take place, but I never got warned at all... I got temp muted just a small moment after the cheater said "Hackusating!" without warning whatsoever.

 

[_Nickk]

No hacks can force other players to look in a position, nor can they modify entities handled by the server to make them no clip, so the person was not hacking.

 

[TriggeredCreeper]

No hacks can force other players to look in a position, nor can they modify entities handled by the server to make them no clip, so the person was not hacking.

Thanks for replying to my post . I'm going to be honest with you, before this incident happened, even I didn't think it is possible for a hacker to manipulate another entity's movement. However, this made me think otherwise. The one flaw in making a post like this is the fact that I didn't have any evidence, which I regret a lot. It would have made my life so much easier to have some sort of proof of this actually happening. I do understand that you, being the owner of a very successful server, may believe that I am not telling the truth. And anyway, you've probably got much more knowledge of how things work around here than I do, so I will not deny your reasoning. If you think this scenario might be fake, there is no way I can prove otherwise and you are of course entitled to your own opinion. Just remember one thing though: the same scenario might happen with somebody who might be aimbotting (that was just one example), however I am aware that because the type of hack seems much less far-fetched and more reasonable then there won't be as many moments when the staff member does not do much in the victim's favour.
Wish you all the best,
Sonic

 

[Sarge4id]

Interesting...Well you got Nickk to reply to you almost immediately, well done! lol. As for proof or evidence of what happened would be insightful, I do think your suggestions are valid and should be examined by the sr. staff when time permits. There are a few strange things going on that I've seen or heard about on TMD-1 and 2. Also accusations of a player knowing where another player was by coming around the corner already firing their weapon, along with countless other accusations and stories.

While it is normal to just brush these kinds of "reports" off and ignore them, I think it would be a good idea for the sr. staff to create a group of staff members that have the appropriate tools and abilities to go onto servers and watch and follow players while being invisible. I know the mods exist as I have used one or two of them on my own servers not to mention these same type of mods could be coded right here at TMD.

I would strongly like to recommend that the group of staff members, if chosen, to carry out these tasks be ones that are on the PVP servers at least 4 to 6 hours every day or more (not just 3 days a week but 6 or 7 day), are fine with devoting all of their play time to observation if necessary, can be trusted to not misuse their abilities, have some experience with hacking or detecting people that are, and be fair, honest and unbiased toward every single player.

I feel that staff with this type of dedication to this occupation and this server, and meet all of the above prerequisites, is the only way to accurately identify and track suspected hackers or glitchers on a daily basis. The only way to win a war like this is the stay on top of it 100%. I also feel that with this kind of added security, players that are hacking will be too afraid to continue hacking and those that are temped are deterred. The thought of never knowing when and if you're being watched makes it way too risky to try to glitch or hack, especially if you've put money into the server. Just the knowledge of this could cause "haxusations" arguments to decrease.

 

[UterZorker]

Thanks for replying to my post . I'm going to be honest with you, before this incident happened, even I didn't think it is possible for a hacker to manipulate another entity's movement. However, this made me think otherwise. The one flaw in making a post like this is the fact that I didn't have any evidence, which I regret a lot. It would have made my life so much easier to have some sort of proof of this actually happening. I do understand that you, being the owner of a very successful server, may believe that I am not telling the truth. And anyway, you've probably got much more knowledge of how things work around here than I do, so I will not deny your reasoning. If you think this scenario might be fake, there is no way I can prove otherwise and you are of course entitled to your own opinion. Just remember one thing though: the same scenario might happen with somebody who might be aimbotting (that was just one example), however I am aware that because the type of hack seems much less far-fetched and more reasonable then there won't be as many moments when the staff member does not do much in the victim's favour.
Wish you all the best,
Sonic

Oh my god that is a bug with the elavators

 

[UterZorker]

Interesting...Well you got Nickk to reply to you almost immediately, well done! lol. As for proof or evidence of what happened would be insightful, I do think your suggestions are valid and should be examined by the sr. staff when time permits. There are a few strange things going on that I've seen or heard about on TMD-1 and 2. Also accusations of a player knowing where another player was by coming around the corner already firing their weapon, along with countless other accusations and stories.

While it is normal to just brush these kinds of "reports" off and ignore them, I think it would be a good idea for the sr. staff to create a group of staff members that have the appropriate tools and abilities to go onto servers and watch and follow players while being invisible. I know the mods exist as I have used one or two of them on my own servers not to mention these same type of mods could be coded right here at TMD.

I would strongly like to recommend that the group of staff members, if chosen, to carry out these tasks be ones that are on the PVP servers at least 4 to 6 hours every day or more (not just 3 days a week but 6 or 7 day), are fine with devoting all of their play time to observation if necessary, can be trusted to not misuse their abilities, have some experience with hacking or detecting people that are, and be fair, honest and unbiased toward every single player.

I feel that staff with this type of dedication to this occupation and this server, and meet all of the above prerequisites, is the only way to accurately identify and track suspected hackers or glitchers on a daily basis. The only way to win a war like this is the stay on top of it 100%. I also feel that with this kind of added security, players that are hacking will be too afraid to continue hacking and those that are temped are deterred. The thought of never knowing when and if you're being watched makes it way too risky to try to glitch or hack, especially if you've put money into the server. Just the knowledge of this could cause "haxusations" arguments to decrease.

Yes yes yes

 

[purrr]

Lagging is on ducibus, with me.

He literally JUST got unbanned.

I've talked to him myself in fact, so I'll clear this up.

Why the hell would he hack if he just got out of a false ban himself? He's happy he got unbanned as it is.

 

[ThiccKooice]

Never known Lagging to be any sort of hacker. And the kind of hacks you seem to be describing seem a bit far-fetched, and I don't think that ( First off I don't think those kind of clients exist ) Lagging would use them to get whatever you had on you, not to be offensive, but I'm sure that it wasn't worth getting banned for a second time, as HyperScrub mentioned.

I would suggest always having a recording software open?

 

[_Tachi_]

What i do, as my parents dont let me get a recording software, i have my ipad (or a camera/ ipod) and put it next to my computer, and if anything suspicous starts happening ill start recording my screen with the ipad

 

[Sarge4id]

What i do, as my parents dont let me get a recording software, i have my ipad (or a camera/ ipod) and put it next to my computer, and if anything suspicous starts happening ill start recording my screen with the ipad

Hey now that's an idea. Most of us have smartphones right?

 

[UterZorker]

What i do, as my parents dont let me get a recording software, i have my ipad (or a camera/ ipod) and put it next to my computer, and if anything suspicous starts happening ill start recording my screen with the ipad

the y do they let u use ur phone i dont get the point

 

[Sarge4id]

maybe he has an ipad instead of an iphone? or it might be better at taking hd vids. i dunno, I'm not a fan of apple right now.

 

[verenity_]

Seems like you needs to record constantly while playing TMD. Most of the time I don't have time to start the recording it happens so fast. Like being shot through a wall.

 

[_Tachi_]

the y do they let u use ur phone i dont get the point

I do use my phone, its just that the ipad is easier to use and i have it with me more frequently

 

[Sarge4id]

Well, the truth is: If you quietly report the player here: https://havocmc.net/support-tickets/open and/or PM a helper or mod on the forums or TS, and tell them you suspect a player of hacking. They usually will ask for the name and server (This happened in my case). Since I didn't call out the guy in chat he had no reason to believe he had been compromised. Apparently a staff member recorded him hacking and he was given the appropriate punishment. Calling out a hacker in chat is the worst you can do. It gives them a chance to lay off the throttle and be more cautious. Remember, calling someone out or "Haxusation" are against the server's rules.

 

[curiousgeorge341]

It was probably just some lag or bug

 

[UterZorker]

It was probably just some lag or bug

exactly this caused a huge problem staff please delete this post

 

[curiousgeorge341]

exactly this caused a huge problem staff please delete this post

Delete what post?

 

[likebeingawesome]

Hey now that's an idea. Most of us have smartphones right?

Yea but often it happens so fast by the time you whip out your phone you were killed by thr player or what always happens to me when i get distarcted for 10 secounds is a walker bites me LOL