Taking a step back or two is progress. (Reverting TMD)

[Yove]

Hello, my name is Yove, some know me as PinkHorizion, I have been playing TMD since the glory days, and it's been a constant argument back and fourth between Old players (dubbed "OG's) and New players, staff, new staff, and so on, over how to revive, fix, or add to TMD.

The staff have made appeals to us, such as giving us TMDOP, when the new TMD was not so appreciated with the PVP it brought with it. (The delayed pain timers). And after releasing TMDOP, there was a time of little to no arguing with the staff. TMD even reached 700+ players again (which is quite a lot! considering TMD's old prime was around 1000-1200!). But as usual, other problems ensued, primarily the map being to big. The map, is amazing, the builders made a amazing one, but, it was to big, one issue was the spawn locations were to far apart, this will be the first problem I discuss.

Problem 1: Spawn locations need to be reverted back similarly to classic TMD's ones.
-If you do not remember, most spawn locations forced players to EVENTUALLY interact with each other, rather than limiting the possibilities of even finding a single player. This is a simple fix, and an idea can be re-creating the "noob towns" that were in the old TMD map.

Off from that, the map will be the next problem I discuss.

Problem 2: Potentially combine both the new map and old map, or completely revert to the old one.
-It is unlikely the map will be reverted anytime soon, thus, to limit the map size, put the newer builds from the new map into the old maps locations (such as the savior sanctuary, new safezones, possibly re add foxtrot, and add the new belport) etc. However, I'd advise keeping the old Atlanta. The old map, was said to be lost, this is incorrect, another user (yes, bare with me) Exo_HD, has it, and he is willing to give the map for free even without being unbanned.

Problem 3: Revert PVP.
-For the last time, we have ALL agreed that you should not change the pvp system of pains and medkits having to take time to use. Just revert it back (and while your at it, make pains right click again, for the love of god please).

Problem 4: Unban the players who contribute the money that keeps the server running
-*Cough Jahango* Giving donators who were banned second chances (or 3rd.... or 4th....) who >WERE NOT< banned for hacking, ddosing, etc. would greatly contribute to the servers cause.

Thats the 4 biggest problems I can think of right now, oh well. I hope this does not fall onto silent ears.
Cheers !
-Yove

 

[UterZorker]

I agree mostly except for map reg tmd is very different and would not benefit from that.

 

[zsteals]

Hello, my name is Yove, some know me as PinkHorizion, I have been playing TMD since the glory days, and it's been a constant argument back and fourth between Old players (dubbed "OG's) and New players, staff, new staff, and so on, over how to revive, fix, or add to TMD.

The staff have made appeals to us, such as giving us TMDOP, when the new TMD was not so appreciated with the PVP it brought with it. (The delayed pain timers). And after releasing TMDOP, there was a time of little to no arguing with the staff. TMD even reached 700+ players again (which is quite a lot! considering TMD's old prime was around 1000-1200!). But as usual, other problems ensued, primarily the map being to big. The map, is amazing, the builders made a amazing one, but, it was to big, one issue was the spawn locations were to far apart, this will be the first problem I discuss.

Problem 1: Spawn locations need to be reverted back similarly to classic TMD's ones.
-If you do not remember, most spawn locations forced players to EVENTUALLY interact with each other, rather than limiting the possibilities of even finding a single player. This is a simple fix, and an idea can be re-creating the "noob towns" that were in the old TMD map.

Off from that, the map will be the next problem I discuss.

Problem 2: Potentially combine both the new map and old map, or completely revert to the old one.
-It is unlikely the map will be reverted anytime soon, thus, to limit the map size, put the newer builds from the new map into the old maps locations (such as the savior sanctuary, new safezones, possibly re add foxtrot, and add the new belport) etc. However, I'd advise keeping the old Atlanta. The old map, was said to be lost, this is incorrect, another user (yes, bare with me) Exo_HD, has it, and he is willing to give the map for free even without being unbanned.

Problem 3: Revert PVP.
-For the last time, we have ALL agreed that you should not change the pvp system of pains and medkits having to take time to use. Just revert it back (and while your at it, make pains right click again, for the love of god please).

Problem 4: Unban the players who contribute the money that keeps the server running
-*Cough Jahango* Giving donators who were banned second chances (or 3rd.... or 4th....) who >WERE NOT< banned for hacking, ddosing, etc. would greatly contribute to the servers cause.

Thats the 4 biggest problems I can think of right now, oh well. I hope this does not fall onto silent ears.
Cheers !
-Yove

 

[Babin_Downs]

I share your opinion, but not the 4. Problem... I think People who are banned should receive their full punishment.

 

[Kendrq]

Only thing I'm not agreeing is number 4. There's an appeal system for those who want to try to get unbanned for their offenses. As far as Jahango in specific, he's publicly said in discord that he refuses to put in the effort to get unbanned. That's his own choice, not staff's.

 

[Yove]

Only thing I'm not agreeing is number 4. There's an appeal system for those who want to try to get unbanned for their offenses. As far as Jahango in specific, he's publicly said in discord that he refuses to put in the effort to get unbanned. That's his own choice, not staff's.

But as for everything else you agree with eh?

 

[DinoDerp_]

What Kendrq said.

 

[JBentley694]

Hello, my name is Yove, some know me as PinkHorizion, I have been playing TMD since the glory days, and it's been a constant argument back and fourth between Old players (dubbed "OG's) and New players, staff, new staff, and so on, over how to revive, fix, or add to TMD.

The staff have made appeals to us, such as giving us TMDOP, when the new TMD was not so appreciated with the PVP it brought with it. (The delayed pain timers). And after releasing TMDOP, there was a time of little to no arguing with the staff. TMD even reached 700+ players again (which is quite a lot! considering TMD's old prime was around 1000-1200!). But as usual, other problems ensued, primarily the map being to big. The map, is amazing, the builders made a amazing one, but, it was to big, one issue was the spawn locations were to far apart, this will be the first problem I discuss.

Problem 1: Spawn locations need to be reverted back similarly to classic TMD's ones.
-If you do not remember, most spawn locations forced players to EVENTUALLY interact with each other, rather than limiting the possibilities of even finding a single player. This is a simple fix, and an idea can be re-creating the "noob towns" that were in the old TMD map.

Off from that, the map will be the next problem I discuss.

Problem 2: Potentially combine both the new map and old map, or completely revert to the old one.
-It is unlikely the map will be reverted anytime soon, thus, to limit the map size, put the newer builds from the new map into the old maps locations (such as the savior sanctuary, new safezones, possibly re add foxtrot, and add the new belport) etc. However, I'd advise keeping the old Atlanta. The old map, was said to be lost, this is incorrect, another user (yes, bare with me) Exo_HD, has it, and he is willing to give the map for free even without being unbanned.

Problem 3: Revert PVP.
-For the last time, we have ALL agreed that you should not change the pvp system of pains and medkits having to take time to use. Just revert it back (and while your at it, make pains right click again, for the love of god please).

Problem 4: Unban the players who contribute the money that keeps the server running
-*Cough Jahango* Giving donators who were banned second chances (or 3rd.... or 4th....) who >WERE NOT< banned for hacking, ddosing, etc. would greatly contribute to the servers cause.

Thats the 4 biggest problems I can think of right now, oh well. I hope this does not fall onto silent ears.
Cheers !
-Yove

What people don't realize is we have taken two steps back, hell we have taken 20 as far as it goes. Minecraft is now in its 1.13 era and we still build and maintain our server to 1.8 standards. As much as we get frustrated with our limitations no one party will ever be happy. The party who want an authentic TWD style server are happy with changes so far and what us to move forward like many other servers are. Then the party of which you are a part of, who we have been trying to please the most will never be happy for what we the Havoc family do for you. I have watched this server grow and yes it did drop but it is still a hell of a lot better now then it was the first years we started when an average player base was 40-50 players.

We are sorry you don't like the map size but I grantee it is the most authentic map you will ever find on any minecraft server. In fact we have reached the point where we no longer have the space to add additional locations that are coming to the the series and that hurts our fans who know this information. Bringing the 1.7 map will not solve anything and as you suggested "put new builds on old map" will not work because of the size difference. To bring 1.7 map back it would mean removing a lot of significant locations such as the sanctuary and kingdom and future locations to come. The old map is lost, I was their and watched it explode and burn and exo obtained the old version through illegal acts and in my opinion that makes him a criminal and in my world I do not negotiate with criminals.

Oh sure he will give us a copy of what is Havoc property and return not ask for an unban because he dosn't need it. Despite his ban he is still an active player on the server. Again ban evasion and extortion is criminal acts in my book but you can view it however you want to.

If the decision is made by the higher ups to remove the current map or make it a single server and bring back the old 1.7 map then that is something that myself and a group of builders will not be a part of.

Your #4 I agree with, lets do a ban reset then as soon as all those who were banned for criminal hacks log in we ban them instantly and listen to this argument all over again.

 

[Diligen]

Some people deserve unbans, some don't. Not just because they donate, though that does keep the server alive. I understand what you're trying to say, though it kind of is portrayed wrong. I understand the second chance, maybe even a 3rd depending on what happened, though I don't think it should be a continuing trend where donors know they can do something wrong and get away with it.

I was banned 3 times.
Once falsely, Nick unbanned me in less than a day.
One validly, I was unbanned after like 9 months.
and once more for what I believe is wrongful. I was unbanned after 3 months.

For the one that was valid, I understood what I did wrong. Not so much for the 3-month ban, as that same thing was allowed and still is lol. But just saying - If I knew I would get special treatment for being a donor, I might as well do it again. I'd get unbanned anyways so what am I losing?

 

[Yove]

What people don't realize is we have taken two steps back, hell we have taken 20 as far as it goes. Minecraft is now in its 1.13 era and we still build and maintain our server to 1.8 standards. As much as we get frustrated with our limitations no one party will ever be happy. The party who want an authentic TWD style server are happy with changes so far and what us to move forward like many other servers are. Then the party of which you are a part of, who we have been trying to please the most will never be happy for what we the Havoc family do for you. I have watched this server grow and yes it did drop but it is still a hell of a lot better now then it was the first years we started when an average player base was 40-50 players.

We are sorry you don't like the map size but I grantee it is the most authentic map you will ever find on any minecraft server. In fact we have reached the point where we no longer have the space to add additional locations that are coming to the the series and that hurts our fans who know this information. Bringing the 1.7 map will not solve anything and as you suggested "put new builds on old map" will not work because of the size difference. To bring 1.7 map back it would mean removing a lot of significant locations such as the sanctuary and kingdom and future locations to come. The old map is lost, I was their and watched it explode and burn and exo obtained the old version through illegal acts and in my opinion that makes him a criminal and in my world I do not negotiate with criminals.

Oh sure he will give us a copy of what is Havoc property and return not ask for an unban because he dosn't need it. Despite his ban he is still an active player on the server. Again ban evasion and extortion is criminal acts in my book but you can view it however you want to.

If the decision is made by the higher ups to remove the current map or make it a single server and bring back the old 1.7 map then that is something that myself and a group of builders will not be a part of.

Your #4 I agree with, lets do a ban reset then as soon as all those who were banned for criminal hacks log in we ban them instantly and listen to this argument all over again.

Cool, nice use of sarcasm! You must feel really cool!

The whole point is not "appease the one party who will never be happy" it is "get tmd to its height again" but hey, do what ever you feel, let the server continue to fall down this path, and listen to the players who you could give a realistic server when most people played for the aspect of interaction pvp etc~

 

[Yove]

What Kendrq said.

Well at least 2 moderators agree with the first 3 options then ! Cheers ~ !

 

[Yove]

Some people deserve unbans, some don't. Not just because they donate, though that does keep the server alive. I understand what you're trying to say, though it kind of is portrayed wrong. I understand the second chance, maybe even a 3rd depending on what happened, though I don't think it should be a continuing trend where donors know they can do something wrong and get away with it.

I was banned 3 times.
Once falsely, Nick unbanned me in less than a day.
One validly, I was unbanned after like 9 months.
and once more for what I believe is wrongful. I was unbanned after 3 months.

For the one that was valid, I understood what I did wrong. Not so much for the 3-month ban, as that same thing was allowed and still is lol. But just saying - If I knew I would get special treatment for being a donor, I might as well do it again. I'd get unbanned anyways so what am I losing?

Eh, I see where you're coming from, but as the other 3 options/problems you have no words for them?

 

[JBentley694]

Cool, nice use of sarcasm! You must feel really cool!

The whole point is not "appease the one party who will never be happy" it is "get tmd to its height again" but hey, do what ever you feel, let the server continue to fall down this path, and listen to the players who you could give a realistic server when most people played for the aspect of interaction pvp etc~

I don't just feel cool, I am cool

I'm sorry you feel different but it's the truth. We have been neglecting half our community to please those who want more PvP then complain about it.

 

[Diligen]

Eh, I see where you're coming from, but as the other 3 options/problems you have no words for them?

Obviously I agree with them lmao.

 

[Yove]

I don't just feel cool, I am cool

I'm sorry you feel different but it's the truth. We have been neglecting half our community to please those who want more PvP then complain about it.

Also, i was told TMD lost the old map, which was why i brought up exo (shrug)

 

[JBentley694]

Also, i was told TMD lost the old map, which was why i brought up exo (shrug)

I understand that and yes it was destroyed and exo illegally downloaded it before we tried the TMD realism update. However if the 1.7 map would bring 600 players or so back then why didn't that number flock over to exos server when he uploaded the old map for his server use. Still I stand behind my decision on both exo and the old invalid map.

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

Look at Bentley GO! Couldn't have said it any better. Y'all pay attention to JB. He speaks the truth.

 

[mindblaster007]

Who is Exo?

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

Who is Exo?

HAHAHAHAHA.

oh wait you're serious.

Someone you should give your IP to.

 

[Babin_Downs]

But as for everything else you agree with eh?

Yup