Unban Options

[Rejante]

All of you are so ****ing aids its disgusting, God knows how this simple idea dissolved into this mess and flame war of an argument that it is, a player simply lists an idea that is not only beneficial but brings in money, and it orients itself into this monstrosity of a forum post, so many staff members and players have it stuck through their thick skulls that their thoughts are final and opinions are the commandments of God, none of your opinions matter, none of the staff commenting on this can effect this in ANY way besides locking or closing the thread. It shows why the forums are so utterly cancer, because of this ****, 1 post leads to another, when the people voting against it are proved why they are wrong or how their logic is flawed, they immediately resort to calling others "toxic" or disrespectful, find a way to ***** about something else, etc. Most staff commenting on this have no brain function and will always condemn a player opinion that doesn't sit fit to their own, no one cares about your dying server or how you intend to bring it back, guess what, its not working, your ideas are not working, thats why jacob is listening more to the players and og's again over you all, besides that, if this is the treatment you try to give at a very unique idea, the server would do better without you, you're only contributing to the cancer of the forums. None of your opinions matter, and to the staff commenting on this post, all of you have said at one point that you hold little to 0 power in the servers decisions, please quit acting like your voices are that of a deity, its up to the owners, not you.

Watch this get taken down cause players will continue to argue and staff dislike it hehe xd

#RANT #FORTNITE #TRIGGERED #EPICGAMERMOMENT #NINJA #HEHEXD

Edit: I couldn't care less about anything the TMD-Roleplayers have to say, cause I know even more *****ing is on its way

what can i say, forums is pretty much cancer lol, can't do anything about it because nobody agrees with each other.
here i go into a rant:

could we all be friendly and criticize constructively?
"**** no **** you and everything you believe in, peace does not exist and you will not exercise your fingers on your keyboard, god i bet you dont exercise in general fatass i hear your ****in sweat dripping into your discarded bottle of ****ing mountain dew and doritos holy **** why are you still alive"
look heres the thing, havoc is naturally toxic due to toxic players making more people toxic etc etc etc
y'all just chill out damn, it ain't even that hard, just mutually agree to not **** each other up verbally because it's a waste of time and finger strength
yove could you chill on the rp dudes bc im pretty sure they easily outdate y'all mfing pvp ogs nd **** idk tho just what i would think
tbh i hate to go rant like this but fr, we can't have our community tear each other to **** because our community has dropped to the point where a civil war between OGs, RPers, and Staff, will literally kill the server.
yep.
that's it.
havoc will die from the inside.
not by mojang, not by lack of funding, it'll literally die by the community killing each other, which will lead to lack of funding so
whatever
anyways back to what i was saying, stop beating the **** out of each other and chill out
criticize like normal people and actually have CONVERSATION.
Not flamewars.
CONVERSATION.
Flamewars get you nowhere.
Conversations are more civil, and will get you places.
To staff: Do everything in your ability to keep everyone in check, give your opinion, and make sure to always pass up any suggestions, good or not, up the chain of command.
To the players: Stop flaming each other. The community is split up and hates each other as it is. Spread some peace, love, and positivy goddamn.
To literally anyone who is being respectful, civil, and not being toxic?
nice

thats 'nuff said.

you drop them molotovs boi

r/madlads
also get on discord lol

 

[Rejante]

yeah plus i forgot to add, that i dont think a cooldown should be in place, i think that you should be able to unban a certain amount of times, 1-3, and from there you have to appeal. but with the appeals and the bans, the player should have to have a time limit before the player CAN appeal, or a certain amount of time before they CAN be unbanned, if they so choose to appeal.
idk,
still ez money

 

[iMoe]

purchasing unbans has always been a tricky idea for me.. You are literally purchasing your way out of a punishment. In real life, you can't do this for large crimes, but it's interesting how you can settle fines by doing community service or paying the fine. Implementing a similar system onto the server isn't actually a terrible idea-- an option to purchase an unban for minor punishments (pay the fine), or to go through an appeal (community service). I think it's not a bad idea, it's just difficult to execute. Should someone who was banned yesterday pay the same amount as someone who was banned a year ago? What is a minor punishment vs. a major punishment? A lot to figure out before something like this gets added.

I like the idea of only allowing one purchasable unban. The random no-gooders who come on just to use hacks won't bother appealing or purchasing; its more of an option for the dedicated players who were caught at a bad time in life. I've been pressured into using hacks to be able to be competitive with my friends, and as a result I've been banned on some really good servers. I've appealed multiple times over a few years and have not been allowed back on. If I could purchase an unban, it would definitely be something I'd consider.

Overall +1, but would need to be more fleshed out.

 

[Pawndah]

Or maybe those who vote no simply have an opinion that differs from yours and you can't respect that sentiment. Not everyone has to agree with your ideas. You posted this thread to get feedback from other community members, yet you're instantly shutting anyone down who disagrees with you. Word to the wise, saying "no disrespect" doesn't automatically make disrespectful comments into respectful ones.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion on these things. This is the last time I'll say this on this thread because it's getting toxic and is on the verge of being locked; Keep it respectful.

No ones being shut down, their being reinstated to start thinking otherwise. There is no disrespect being shown and its just a battle between 2 sides to find out whos right.

 

[Kendrq]

No ones being shut down, their being reinstated to start thinking otherwise. There is no disrespect being shown and its just a battle between 2 sides to find out whos right.

This isn't about who's "right" or "wrong". You asked for peoples' opinions, and you're telling them that if they have a different opinion that their's must be incorrect. If someone doesn't like an idea, they're allowed to not like that idea. You asked for feedback, not a "battle" or a debate.
The majority of this thread has been you and 2-3 other people telling anyone that disagrees with you that they must be less intelligent, less experienced, or less worthy than thou. You asked for opinions. An opinion can't be wrong, because it's an opinion. Ultimately this topic comes down to Owners and their decision(s) about it anyways. Not yours. Not mine. Not any other player's here. We can state our thoughts in the hopes that the Owners may consider it, but that's about it.

 

[Firelillx]

No ones being shut down, their being reinstated to start thinking otherwise. There is no disrespect being shown and its just a battle between 2 sides to find out whos right.

You realize that the second anyone disagrees, jahango and Yove rush in and call them rpers and literally tell them their opinion doesn’t matter and they should shut up.

I think someone being told to shut up qualifies for being shut down.

So far, it’s just been one sided aggression from you guys. If you think this is a battle, I’m afraid it’s all in your head. The only people attacking are y’all.

I don’t like your idea, but I’ve never attacked y’all. Same with pretty much everyone else I saw that disagrees with y’all. Instead of taking the criticism you asked for by posting this on a public forum, you and your friends act so incredibly sensitive and freak out.

And yes, I see Yoves responses as freaking out lol.

You can say “no disrespect” and that you’ve grown up, but the little jabs and over reactions are really immature. Idk you so I can’t gauge how you were before, but saying no disrespect, then being disrespectful is not very mature.

I was honestly willing to hear y’alls perspective and have my mind changed about the idea. I understand my opinion in the end doesn’t matter to actual change, but yeah I was willing to have my mind changed and help support this, but instead of changing my mind, you insulted me and other people for literally no reason.

Just a tip. If you want to convince people to join your cause and be on your side, being overly aggressive and unnecessarily rude isn’t going to get you anywhere.

I think I’m done with this thread now. Insult my argument, sure. If you insult me that just a W for me in my book.

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

yeah, so i guess since i posted something i gotta write more stuff
i barely know pawndah but i think over a full year, as apparently he was banned for that long, any player would change, and i've seen it, i know a guy who had been banned for a year, and i saw him change drastically, despite his stupid actions attempting to draw out a staff member and have them reviewed by higher ups utilizing bugs and such, he had changed over a full year, and his appeal was denied, after a full year. I think that that in particular is fully unfair, and any case that is like that should be taken into account-
the player changes, over time. as of now, the player referenced, despite the case being known to staff, and players alike, will not be named, but has given up on havoc, to my knowledge.
whatever tho, money for unban would be ez profit for havoc, especially with a buncha banned players, but i still think appeals are much more effective

NaNi? I have done 0 changing since false ban and am still working to whack that staff with demote

Anyways here's my take on the idea
Like the Mythical rank, adding this would be a total cash grab. Saying that "people who have changed can get an unban so they can play without hacks" is total bs. For most servers with the BUY UNBAN item in the shop, the hackerd simply rejoin and are more cautious about what client they use. Sure, there may be a few people who legit want to try to play without hacks, but for the majority it will be "OK gotta be more careful with my client". If the world was different and every hacker truly seeked a second chance I would say yes, but since that isn't the case we can't just base all arguments FOR the idea on the assumtion that everyone is a decent human being and seeks redemption.

Also on a sort of side note can we please have a section in the rules document on how evidence is gathered and stored? I feel like that would decrease the amount of false bans, and would allow others to see if someone is hacking or not. I know with my ban I was not shown evidence afterwards, nor a week after, and a month or so ago (after a year of ban) I could still not get any evidence. I and others would like to see our ban evidence to rule out staff-shafting based on their feelings to us or the people around us. That is all.

 

[Jahango]

I think I’m done with this thread now. Insult my argument, sure. If you insult me that just a W for me in my book.

you stink haha!

 

[Jahango]

purchasing unbans has always been a tricky idea for me.. You are literally purchasing your way out of a punishment. In real life, you can't do this for large crimes, but it's interesting how you can settle fines by doing community service or paying the fine.

this is not real life buddy... this is a minecraft server where the main purpose for the owners is to make money why tf else would they have it up.

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

this is not real life buddy... this is a minecraft server where the main purpose for the owners is to make money why tf else would they have it up.

Maybe so people would have somewhere to play? Saying the whole reason the server exists is to make money makes no sense. Why would the owners choose to profit from a dying game when you can host way more profitable servers for other games?

 

[Yove]

Maybe so people would have somewhere to play? Saying the whole reason the server exists is to make money makes no sense. Why would the owners choose to profit from a dying game when you can host way more profitable servers for other games?

The whole server is literally a company, its entire purpose is to make profit.

I still hate that people call minecraft a dying game, because statistically if you look on world rankings and charts online minecraft is the second largest played game (activity of users based its ranked 2nd to), its not minecraft thats dying, its multiplayer, mainly because of microsoft, but still, your argument is invalid.

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

The whole server is literally a company, its entire purpose is to make profit.

I still hate that people call minecraft a dying game, because statistically if you look on world rankings and charts online minecraft is the second largest played game (activity of users based its ranked 2nd to), its not minecraft thats dying, its multiplayer, mainly because of microsoft, but still, your argument is invalid.

If the server is a company, why are staff (the "employees") not being paid? Unless of course the server has been made to give people a place to play and the staff VOLUNTEER so that players have a better experience. Also, if the server is a company, why has Minewars not been closed if it has not generated nearly as much revenue as TMD or Hn? A company would not keep something that costs more than the revenue it generates.

 

[Pawndah]

If the server is a company, why are staff (the "employees") not being paid? Unless of course the server has been made to give people a place to play and the staff VOLUNTEER so that players have a better experience. Also, if the server is a company, why has Minewars not been closed if it has not generated nearly as much revenue as TMD or Hn? A company would not keep something that costs more than the revenue it generates.

They arent Employee's, I think this is where people dont get it. They volunteered for their position. They were never offered payment or promised payment.

 

[Cactiee]

This could work out if the server is thirsty for money like Logan Paul.... but probably 1 time only

 

[Pawndah]

This could work out if the server is thirsty for money like Logan Paul.... but probably 1 time only

Thanks for looking at it in a funny yet server economic way.

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

They arent Employee's, I think this is where people dont get it. They volunteered for their position. They were never offered payment or promised payment.

From a buisness standpoint, volunteers or interns are both considered an "unpaid position" meaning that they are technically employees but they do not get monetary payment. Sometimes these positions may come with benefits, but in the case of Havoc I do not think staff get benefits other than the custom rank tag

 

[Pawndah]

From a buisness standpoint, volunteers or interns are both considered an "unpaid position" meaning that they are technically employees but they do not get monetary payment. Sometimes these positions may come with benefits, but in the case of Havoc I do not think staff get benefits other than the custom rank tag

No, there is a difference between an employee and a volunteer job. Sorry to say that I had to learn this with my past experience as a staff manager with the community asking remotely the same question. You 'become' an employee as you progress with standpoints of payment of some sort coming from the annual owner or in this case 'employer' I understand where your coming from but again, staff's job is monetarily just to ban hackers / spec / etc. I dont see why they should be complaining about what is up to the Owners / Community. This is just my personal opinion feel free to elaborate.

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

No, there is a difference between an employee and a volunteer job. Sorry to say that I had to learn this with my past experience as a staff manager with the community asking remotely the same question. You 'become' an employee as you progress with standpoints of payment of some sort coming from the annual owner or in this case 'employer' I understand where your coming from but again, staff's job is monetarily just to ban hackers / spec / etc. I dont see why they should be complaining about what is up to the Owners / Community. This is just my personal opinion feel free to elaborate.

Im not talking about just staff jobs on an mc server, Im referring to actual company practices (since someone compared an mc server to an actual company)

 

[Pawndah]

Honestly bud this is what I hate the most, being ignorant to the new players who just want to give their two cents, but anyways that's for another topic, this is opinion on the subject:

No, having an unban option in the server shop is not useful at all. Yes, sure, it might raise money from doing so, but is it sticking the finger to the staff/players, yes. It just seems like a cash grab to have it and just screw everyone else in the end of it. Let's say perhaps, we did have something of the sort and it was like the way Pawndah describes;

Let's appose this player named "MrHackerMan" comes to the server and gets good and is actually pretty good. He starts to hack for (insert amount of time; for this example I'll use 3 months), and players are /reporting him and /helpop'ing him countlessly. However us, the staff, somehow manage to not find any evidence (Probably not true, but AGAIN, just an example), and he finally gets banned. Hooray! The players are happy, the staff can finally stop getting spammed for /reports, and everything is great. The next day, boom he buys an unban. Goes right back to using his client again cause he now knows how to keep it on the down low

If you hack and get banned, you're not going to get the easy way out and just buy your unban. That's caring about money, and not the players themselves. I don't get paid doing this, and I certainly don't want to see people that I've spent (insert time) trying to get evidence banning them, unbanned cause they have a credit card (probably from their mom, ooooo snap bb). Anyone who says "this server does it, be like them", can go to that server and stay there.

Another note: NO, FOR THE TENTH BILLION TIME, no matter how good that player was, no matter how amazing that person was to you, NO, having them back does not make a difference in player count. You're only bringing that up because they were one of your pen pals bud. I can't tell you how OG players i've seen that were unbanned not make a single difference in player count. Unless it's a youtuber with a million subs, then I guess so. I've seen at least 5 og players come back, and the only difference they did in player count was probably for one day.

Respectable, but note this. Owners could tweek the unban system to where they could wait a certain amount of days {ex:2 weeks} before they purchase an unban and in addition to that they could make it so they would have to go through a atleast 1 appeal before purchasing one. Also staff's job is to find / ban hackers so i dont see why it would be a big issue banning a player again / keeping an eye on him. Thats just my simple opinion. The system could be tweeked so it could be fair on both sides.

 

[Pawndah]

Im not talking about just staff jobs on an mc server, Im referring to actual company practices (since someone compared an mc server to an actual company)

Oh ok.