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    Pawndah

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    Pawndah
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    All I'm saying is; I'm not willing to fight for respect anymore. I know me and other staff members have legitimately worked their asses off to have a relationship with the players that isn't just: "Staff vs Players." Yes, we mess up. But we are forced to fight to be treated like human beings on a mine craft server. I'm sick of it, we had to make a forums thread regarding this issue because of how big it has become. We have tried to meet your demands: Moderators on discord, more mods on Mine Wars, Support Tickets not being opened more than 4 days. Our only response to that is; "Staff teams ****, they don't do anything." To accomplish every single thing that you want done everyday, our moderators would have to be on 6-8 hours a day. Like hell will any of us be forced to do that. The reality is; if this staff team is complete ****, what would It be like if we all resigned?
    if you all resigned? i would be honestly probably the most humble person to staff ever... go ahead and resign and hire all new staff that actually might understand the players and stay down to earth... i may sound a bit harsh but hey... I've been dealt with staff lots of times and they don't have good answers some of the times. I got banned and am remaining banned for no reason just because you guys don't want me to play, go ahead and argue that "no... you were using hacks" well guess what, they ss'd me and found absolutely nothing. Maybe you should just resign... and go back to being a nice friendly player like i remembered u as.
     

    CravenPython108

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    if you all resigned? i would be honestly probably the most humble person to staff ever... go ahead and resign and hire all new staff that actually might understand the players and stay down to earth... i may sound a bit harsh but hey... I've been dealt with staff lots of times and they don't have good answers some of the times. I got banned and am remaining banned for no reason just because you guys don't want me to play, go ahead and argue that "no... you were using hacks" well guess what, they ss'd me and found absolutely nothing. Maybe you should just resign... and go back to being a nice friendly player like i remembered u as.
    Another thread hijacked with ban/mute appeals.
     

    Katitude

    Mythical
    Katitude
    Katitude Katitude
    if you all resigned? i would be honestly probably the most humble person to staff ever... go ahead and resign and hire all new staff that actually might understand the players and stay down to earth... i may sound a bit harsh but hey... I've been dealt with staff lots of times and they don't have good answers some of the times. I got banned and am remaining banned for no reason just because you guys don't want me to play, go ahead and argue that "no... you were using hacks" well guess what, they ss'd me and found absolutely nothing. Maybe you should just resign... and go back to being a nice friendly player like i remembered u as.
    That's not very nice, you can create a support ticket and we will help you from there. ^-^
     

    iViper

    Titan
    iViper
    iViper iViper
    "I should be unbanned" isn't a legit opinion.

    Any other group of staff would probably still ban you.
    Why you always think staff ban/mute fast? I bet I can warn/mute a person under 1 minute:

    "1" Viper is a dic!
    *Viper makes screenshot*
    *Viper does /staff disrespect with proof*
    *Person comes*
    "Staff" Discord= Staff1111 Skype= Staff11
    *Viper sends*
    *Staff mutes/warns/bans*

    I bet this can be done so quick, why wouldnt they ban you? Proof and rule breaking, just appeal its just a game :/
     

    Sarge4id

    Titan
    Sarge4id
    Sarge4id Sarge4id
    I'm glad a staff member decided to sling some crap back at the players. They've been taking crap from players for so long now. I go so tired of explaining to people that staff aren't the server's butlers and devote most of their free time to the server. I even had two or three methods on trying to be more transparent between staff and players. This was one of them, although I never had time to mention them. Staff expressing themselves and how players make them feel will usually get three responses from three types of people: Supportive/Defensive, Haters/Offensive/Insulting, and those that think such a post is "dumb" or shows "weakness." The problem here is mostly lack of respect and maturity. A lot of the players are too young or lack the concept of respect to the point of being mentally unable to show respect and/or dispute issues in a civil manner. A good analogy would be asking a one year old baby to place their full order at a McDonald's drive through window. A one year old has a very basic understanding and usage of whatever language they speak. Most answers consist of a few words at most, a lot of pointing, and a lot of foot stamping.

    I've always supported the staff, even though I've done things that were detrimental to them before, but the majority of the players (the ones that do not come on the forums), even if they somehow were forced to read this post, would simply ignore it or give a "hater" response. The staff have been amazing at taking the heat and restraining themselves. This must be recognized. They could easily just ban and mute people they don't like just to be mean or to toy with players. They could kill players and make them lose their inventory and much worse. I even suggested a weekend of staff taking the weekend off to let the players see what "no staff" feels like. But we knew that as tempting as that sounded, it wasn't the right thing to do. What we need is for those here that do have the maturity and wisdom to vouch and stand up for the staff more then ever. To go out of their way to defuse insulting forum posts or rants, and to explain over and over, what the staff go through every day. Player's need reminding and educating. Those of you that are capable of this, and there are many of you, need to mentor and be examples and role models for your peers.

    Some of you I respect and try to talk and treat you the same as someone my own age. Some of you have wisdom and maturity that far exceeds my own. I have learned a lot during my times here and mistakes I have made. Proof that you all can teach me and that I am not above being taught by those younger than myself. Something that is hard to admit for someone like me. Remember to stop and think long and hard before tossing an insult to staff members. And most of all, you make your immature peers think long and hard about it. Show your disapproval. Humiliate them for their lack of maturity and lack of kindness. Some of you know what it means to really suffer from depression. It is no joke and many do not return from it every year. Currently, those of you that think the staff lords over you all and is abusive are very wrong. It is in fact the players that hold all the power and can subject extreme appreciation or torment upon the staff whenever they wish. Remember this, and remember what they do for you everyday. If you get banned or muted, you most likely deserved it for one reason or another.

    The only reason I'm back is because I was notified of this post. It's been received much better than I imagined. When a peer opens up to you and exposes themselves to hate, they are asking you for your help/cooperation/understanding. Not crying or seeking pity. Opening up is one of the hardest things for us all to do when it comes to our pride and self image. Especially in the teenage years. Squash those who hate against staff under your boots as it has gone on long enough. If I had things my way, I'd have the staff take a break for a week or longer and let players try to sort out their problems. I would wait till people begged for staff to return and apologize for being so mean previously. Only then would I feel the players realized how important the staff is and the order they strive to maintain. And only then would they appreciate and respect the staff as they should. But there is a very good reason I don't get what I want and that's because I believe in making people experience things in a very hard way when necessary. And it would probably make quite a few players leave during the learning experience which isn't the goal. I know the staff won't and can't, but I strongly still recommend this lack of staff if it becomes necessary to cull the hate from players. If someone can't learn after hitting rock bottom, then they can't learn and need to be banned permanently. Best of luck to the staff. Thank you guys and gals for your dedication. This experience only goes to prepare you for life later on. The world is unforgiving and is usually oblivious to your feelings. This experience will prepare you for what is to come. The way you manage and handle the stress you feel now is paramount. You'll just have to trust me on this one. Again, best wishes. Hope the map gets sorted!
     

    Shallowing

    Mythical
    Shallowing
    Shallowing Shallowing
    To be completely honest, all these reasons that everyone pointed out is the reason I resigned also why I'm afraid to sign up again. However, I'm hoping to see the server get better as it's obviously in a bad state as of now. I bet if everyone came together as a HELPFUL and FREINDLY community this server will get better. I've seen many new players say they are quitting just because of how many people hate and call them names constantly. It's not just the staff members who get hate it is everyone. But the staff get the most hate in my opinion and experience of what happens. Try to look through their perspective and see if you'd want to be treated the same way.
     

    rtomko

    New member
    i know EXACTLY how you feel i have been admin on servers before and tbh the ppl take for granted how much time and work staff put into making servers...the ppl your talking about are real jerks and we all know it... but the important thing is to just ignore it... there only here to annoy you and try to make you quit... hope that doesent happen to you again ;-;
     

    seuboi

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    seuboi
    seuboi seuboi
    I've been playing a lot of stuff that involves a community and I can easily say MC Havok weakness rely in such weak and subjective rules. Being respectful go way beyond following some rules, a majority of players think they can say all the crap they want just because they were pre-2016-wipe or because they know staff before we do. Wtf? We've seen players arguing for absolute nothing, swearing each other for political bs, finding reasons to hate.

    These first offenses should not be a '30 mins mute', should be like 2 days minimum. I used to fill a lot of complaints, keeping a huge amount of violations screenshots but I'm just tired, it's not worth anymore.
     

    CravenPython108

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    So the thing that I view differently about the staff than others is simply looking at how they do their job. Some of you might say "staff ban hackers," and you would be right. I can say "staff ban hackers after players gather all the evidence," or "staff ban players after weeks of consistent hacks" (ImWoodstone and fortmill2020) and also be right.

    There also shouldn't be a battle to earn players respect, as @Mackiee said. If you're worthy of respect, then those mature enough to grasp the concept will. If you aren't, then no one, able to grasp the respect concept or not, will give you respect past some baseline level.
     

    Flirtin

    New member
    Honestly, I got called a smartass by a staff member. MY friend got muted for speaking about his girlfriend in via /msg.
     

    SadPie

    VIP
    SadPie
    SadPie SadPie
    From my experience this sounds a bit exaggerated and easy for staff to overcome. In any gaming community there are always going to be *******s. Just can't avoid that fact, those toxic players that just seem to think they are the best and everything they say holds some mighty power. When in truth what they say doesn't matter and certainly doesn't matter to a good staff member. Just remember when someone unnecessarily talks **** to you, you are a contributing member to this community, they are the small toxic part. If anything focus on the amount of hello's and friendly chats you get, they certainly out way the negatives.

    Be Happy and have PIE!
     

    purrr

    Titan
    purrr
    purrr purrr
    The server's staff is good.

    It's not great, it's not perfect (nobody's is) but it's certainly not bad.

    I think a large issue the community has is what the staff controls. Many assume that since a helper can't do anything, they're not trying. Of course not, they're almost always trying to be a helpful member of the community to be there for the playerbase.

    The playerbase itself is a huge issue. This is a minecraft server. I had a good conversation with iHonk once regarding the chat filter. He told me that it didn't matter if the show was made for adults, but that the game was made for kids. By that logic, we can assume that a lot of the community is children. Whether or not we can blame them for their own immaturity is it's own argument— but that if they pin the blame on staff it should be taken for a grain of salt. I can personally assume you that a good deal of players are kids >13. They're usually the ones to say "staff doesn't do their jobs", "staff doesn't help me", "staff should be fired". In a game for kids, you're bound to have kids flexing their own childish (although individual) opinions, and that's generally something you can't change. I'm in no way siding with these kids, but you can't bash them too much because of their ignorance.

    Before the update with the mega-map, I honestly didn't think the staff was good. They didn't handle situations as well, the staff were much more inexperienced and had trouble keeping deadlines. I sent a helper application in august and didn't have it replied to until December, for example.

    However, the staff have made a huge change. I see hard work and dedication, as well as people willing to help others at a moment's notice regardless of the severity of the problem. I am no longer worried about getting my application reviewed in five months, due to the staff's studious efforts to provide us a better gaming experience.

    That's why I would like to be a part of it. It's a great opportunity for a person— helping others. The staff are people to look up to, rolemodels. They provide the assistance one needs, with efficiency and reliability. The duty of which I would like to have.

    Great job on the new map, by the way! Happy 4th of July!
     

    Cactiee

    Titan
    Cactiee
    Cactiee Cactiee
    Staff is humans too. Even I'm banned but I do know that HavocMC's staff do lots of works. They ARE NOT a machine. They should have respect too. Show them some respect.
     

    FlossMC

    New member
    Honestly, I quite find this hilarious. Sure, you will get hate for the dumbest reasons, but do you seriously have to post a rant on the forums? I say keep it to yourself, it will make you more professional and mature. That's just my opinion, you can do what you want.
     

    daywillcraft

    New member
    When you hear stories, that's assuming, and most rumours are false; when we false ban someone, they are unbanned. c: I don't expect 100% positivity, I hope for respect; I have to respect someone even if I don't like them..
    I have to respect this i have been banned for almost 8 months now for something i know i didn't do and yes i was made and made rude comments but since then i have come to realize they would not have banned me unless they truly believed that i hacked. now i hope that this wet settled yes but am i going to rage if they turn down my ban apple no i probably would of 7 months ago but well that only makes it worse so when people are being rude to staff that staff doesn't like helping it probably because they don't like trying to help the people who are bashing on them for stuff they cant do any thing about.
     
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