How players treat staff members

[Frox1n]

It breaks my heart to hear that. I've never insulted a staff member, at least I haven't tried, but this makes me feel like some of the players don't give a crap about the staff these days. Today Katitude logged on and someone said "the award for the worst staff of the year goes to Katitude." He/she later complains that the staff abuse because he/she was muted for an hour. I completely understand why this player was muted. It was cruel and full of hatred. Some players joke around with staff and the staff sometimes take it too literally and they end up with a form of punishment.
As an active player I've seen MANY falls bans. like I said the staff sometime take things too seriously. If a group of people hackusate on one person at once they're typical hacking and or auto clicking. They should be screen shared asap bye staff, but sometimes staff aren't always online. This is a problem I've seen through out my time playing on this server. I feel atleast 1 staff member should be online all the time. Having staff around a lot would not only help us by asking quistons, but always be there if something is wrong. I had applied for staff a few days ago, but had gotten rejected, I'm not mad that I had gotten rejected, but considering I'm literally always online and I fell having the staff perspective of things would help by also having a players perspective. Also, there's one thing that staff does amazingly, and it's the ability the answer a question. They're always on top of it at the moment and know exactly what to say and how to say it. You guys are great on that. When there's a false ban the person who gets banned is typically really mad. Once they're unbanned they usually blame staff for it. This blame was brought onto themselves. When you're suspicious of someone cheating hop right on it and test them. Go in vanish and see if they have tracers or ask them to screen share. Do whatever it takes to find that they're actually cheating and if not then they're typically clean. I hope staff takes what I said into considerations. Hopefully what I said with help in the near future

-Orange

 

[Juggie]

I agree

 

[Juggie]

I have never mistreated a staff but I do believe that sometimes they take it to seriously and a while ago I was accused of hacks Wavy said I had 5 mins to start a Skype screen share with him and I didn't have Skype to I had to get Skype and show him my files in 5 mins. But I understand I wasn't banned because I'm not one of the poor losers who feel the need to cheat I am a legit player who thinks that staff are mistreated by hackers, trolls, and mean players I do think that this server needs more staff I just applied for staff and if I'm accepted I'm gonna make sure that players can have a fun time and not mistreat staff and other players like that.

 

[Juggie]

You guys probably saw my reply on orange sweaters post I think that the staff are treated horribly too but you guys do sometimes do bad stuff but no one is perfect it's human nature to make mistakes and what seems like a small amount of us players realize that but I do think that there should always be a staff on each server I applied so I can help players and help with this issue I also want to help the server getting more staff will calm the players down and then staff will start getting an easier time when they join so yeah.

 

[VaIinar]

I agree, half the time when I'm on havocmc, I come across these players who treat these friendly staff members like crap, these people join the staff team to try and make the server a better place, not get those insults thrown at them, the people who talk trash about the staff, think of what it would be like if YOU were that staff member on there

 

[ArmenTheHeli]

Guys lets hire a few staff to be bullet monkeys for insults

Ok all jokes aside, having someone to absorb the insults would be great. Perhaps someone who is numb to it and is fine with dealing with it? People like Helloman (who have gotten depression from the hate messages) shouldnt have to deal with it. Id volunteer, since im not doing anything with my life at the moment, but staff dont like me .

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

Anyone else think a Public Relations campaign is a good idea? More contests, drop parties, etc... ok maybe not the drop parties, but still. I have been playing TMD for what, 3 1/2 years so far? The staff used to be so much fun! But now, all I hear is negative comments. "The staff is trash" "If you become one... you change" "Staff suck." That's all I hear from players throughout the servers. I think it's time the staff wake up and do a clean sweep of their ranks, and maybe try and get back in the server's good graces. Personally, I think the staff does their absolute best to do what they can to keep the server alive. I do admit, there are times when I question their rulings or decisions, but overall, I think they're fine. All of the negativity has really concerned me and is making rethink my applying for Helper. I was hated in the Discord that I'd just screw everyone over and that "People like you are the reason why the staff is so corrupt." Even my closest friends, although they support me, warned me that I might get power hungry.

That's why I hope to be the first staff (if accepted, of course) to change that. I think it's time the staff to get down on the player's level and see with their eyes, take social suggestions (and regular suggestions in general) more seriously, be friendly and welcoming. I don't want to keep hearing that people think certain staff are mean or condescending. We're all buddies, here!

Thank you for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

All I'm saying is; I'm not willing to fight for respect anymore. I know me and other staff members have legitimately worked their asses off to have a relationship with the players that isn't just: "Staff vs Players." Yes, we mess up. But we are forced to fight to be treated like human beings on a mine craft server. I'm sick of it, we had to make a forums thread regarding this issue because of how big it has become. We have tried to meet your demands: Moderators on discord, more mods on Mine Wars, Support Tickets not being opened more than 4 days. Our only response to that is; "Staff teams ****, they don't do anything." To accomplish every single thing that you want done everyday, our moderators would have to be on 6-8 hours a day. Like hell will any of us be forced to do that. The reality is; if this staff team is complete ****, what would It be like if we all resigned?

I agree with that, Makiee. It's not fair to you and the other Helpers, Mods, Admins to be trated like garbage. It's always more, more, MORE. When will it be time to appreciate the time and effort y'all put in every day just to keep this place going? Did anyone stop to think about how cool the new TMD map is? No, they just complained and screamed for the old one. Did anyone stop to think about how hard the builders and developers have to work to bring in and build knew gamemodes? No, they just whine about 'no one does anything for us.'

Mackiee and her fellow staffers work so hard to make this server possible. Just take a moment and appreciate what they've done for you.

*Sips tea* Thank you for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

 

[Wobiee]

Anyone else think a Public Relations campaign is a good idea? More contests, drop parties, etc... ok maybe not the drop parties, but still. I have been playing TMD for what, 3 1/2 years so far? The staff used to be so much fun! But now, all I hear is negative comments. "The staff is trash" "If you become one... you change" "Staff suck." That's all I hear from players throughout the servers. I think it's time the staff wake up and do a clean sweep of their ranks, and maybe try and get back in the server's good graces. Personally, I think the staff does their absolute best to do what they can to keep the server alive. I do admit, there are times when I question their rulings or decisions, but overall, I think they're fine. All of the negativity has really concerned me and is making rethink my applying for Helper. I was hated in the Discord that I'd just screw everyone over and that "People like you are the reason why the staff is so corrupt." Even my closest friends, although they support me, warned me that I might get power hungry.

That's why I hope to be the first staff (if accepted, of course) to change that. I think it's time the staff to get down on the player's level and see with their eyes, take social suggestions (and regular suggestions in general) more seriously, be friendly and welcoming. I don't want to keep hearing that people think certain staff are mean or condescending. We're all buddies, here!

Thank you for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

First off, this is an amazing post and I love your concern for the community. It has crossed my mind numerous times that we could hold events for the players and possibly have a dedicated staff team for it. I myself believe this would improve the relations of staff and players as they got to know each other. Hopefully we can get it implemented one day. On the note of your other post I do appreciate that you realize the staff team put a lot of work into what we do and we don't mess up intentionally. As previously stated everyone makes mistakes. All I have to say is thank you for that, and thank you for the suggestion about events. If you need anything else just message me or another staff member. ~MythicalWobbley

 

[CravenPython108]

Anyone else think a Public Relations campaign is a good idea? More contests, drop parties, etc... ok maybe not the drop parties, but still. I have been playing TMD for what, 3 1/2 years so far? The staff used to be so much fun! But now, all I hear is negative comments. "The staff is trash" "If you become one... you change" "Staff suck." That's all I hear from players throughout the servers. I think it's time the staff wake up and do a clean sweep of their ranks, and maybe try and get back in the server's good graces. Personally, I think the staff does their absolute best to do what they can to keep the server alive. I do admit, there are times when I question their rulings or decisions, but overall, I think they're fine. All of the negativity has really concerned me and is making rethink my applying for Helper. I was hated in the Discord that I'd just screw everyone over and that "People like you are the reason why the staff is so corrupt." Even my closest friends, although they support me, warned me that I might get power hungry.

That's why I hope to be the first staff (if accepted, of course) to change that. I think it's time the staff to get down on the player's level and see with their eyes, take social suggestions (and regular suggestions in general) more seriously, be friendly and welcoming. I don't want to keep hearing that people think certain staff are mean or condescending. We're all buddies, here!

Thank you for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

I agree with that, Makiee. It's not fair to you and the other Helpers, Mods, Admins to be trated like garbage. It's always more, more, MORE. When will it be time to appreciate the time and effort y'all put in every day just to keep this place going? Did anyone stop to think about how cool the new TMD map is? No, they just complained and screamed for the old one. Did anyone stop to think about how hard the builders and developers have to work to bring in and build knew gamemodes? No, they just whine about 'no one does anything for us.'

Mackiee and her fellow staffers work so hard to make this server possible. Just take a moment and appreciate what they've done for you.

*Sips tea* Thank you for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

There's a difference between treating a staff poorly because they are staff, and treating a staff poorly because of what they've done to you. There's also a difference between defending a staff and sucking up to them. You don't know a lot about iHank's demotion, or Mackiee's role in it, so it's not your place to say staff are mistreated for no reason.

About the situation in discord, where I said "people like you are why the staff team is corrupt," I meant that players who overwhelmingly, sometimes even blindly, support the staff give the impression that as staff, they can do no wrong. That's where corruption comes into play, as they start to think that the decision is right simply because it was their decision.

I will say I was unkind to you in discord, and I'm sorry for that. Please know, though, the hate wasn't directed at you've applied for staff.

About the "time and effort" deal, you don't know how rare it is to see Jr mod + on Mine Wars. Even aside from Mine Wars, a fair portion of the staff are rarely on the server.

 

[Wobiee]

I don't have much to say about the top half of your post apart from the fact that I acknowledge just because we are staff, doesnt mean we always make the right decision although it is our intention to make the best decision and we work our hardest to reach the best decision. Im also sure Cat appreciates you acknowledge you were unkind. On your last part about how Jr. Mods+ are never on, thats a lie. A lot of us get over 20+ hours a week but we are always in vanish moderating behind the scenes which means you won't be able to see us. Also explains why it is Jr. Mods+ not Helpers+ as helpers are unable to vanish. Thats all I have to say. ~MythicalWobbley

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

There's a difference between treating a staff poorly because they are staff, and treating a staff poorly because of what they've done to you. There's also a difference between defending a staff and sucking up to them. You don't know a lot about iHank's demotion, or Mackiee's role in it, so it's not your place to say staff are mistreated for no reason.

About the situation in discord, where I said "people like you are why the staff team is corrupt," I meant that players who overwhelmingly, sometimes even blindly, support the staff give the impression that as staff, they can do no wrong. That's where corruption comes into play, as they start to think that the decision is right simply because it was their decision.

I will say I was unkind to you in discord, and I'm sorry for that. Please know, though, the hate wasn't directed at you've applied for staff.

About the "time and effort" deal, you don't know how rare it is to see Jr mod + on Mine Wars. Even aside from Mine Wars, a fair portion of the staff are rarely on the server.

Au Contraire. I was not sucking up to the darned staff. What's wrong with defending a staff member that is being heckled for something that she did not do and cannot change? Why must it be that if I join the side of the staff, that I'm automatically "sucking up"? And my experience with staff is a lot more deep than yours, I assume. I have been around on this server for a very long time, and the gradual decline in attitude and respect has shown considerably. I did not base my claim that it's not fair for staff members to be treated like garbage for their mistakes just on the situation with iHank and Mackiee. I've based it off MY OWN experience as a player on this server.

Now, you're right that I don't know much about the iHank situation, but I got a negative view of it because of the Forums thread and how he treated Mackiee and I in the Discord chat. I really didn't appreciate that at all.

Back to the time and effort. Do you have any idea how hard the build staff worked to push out the new TMD map on time? Almost each and every one of them worked double digit hours A DAY, as much as 16 hours! Look at this wonderful server and stop brooding over the tiny little things. It's time we appreciate what's been given to us!

Thank you for the apology for the Discord.. I'm sorry I got involved... I was just trying to help.

*Sips tea* Thanks for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

 

[UnknownMelody]

Anyone else think a Public Relations campaign is a good idea? More contests, drop parties, etc... ok maybe not the drop parties, but still. I have been playing TMD for what, 3 1/2 years so far? The staff used to be so much fun! But now, all I hear is negative comments. "The staff is trash" "If you become one... you change" "Staff suck." That's all I hear from players throughout the servers. I think it's time the staff wake up and do a clean sweep of their ranks, and maybe try and get back in the server's good graces. Personally, I think the staff does their absolute best to do what they can to keep the server alive. I do admit, there are times when I question their rulings or decisions, but overall, I think they're fine. All of the negativity has really concerned me and is making rethink my applying for Helper. I was hated in the Discord that I'd just screw everyone over and that "People like you are the reason why the staff is so corrupt." Even my closest friends, although they support me, warned me that I might get power hungry.

That's why I hope to be the first staff (if accepted, of course) to change that. I think it's time the staff to get down on the player's level and see with their eyes, take social suggestions (and regular suggestions in general) more seriously, be friendly and welcoming. I don't want to keep hearing that people think certain staff are mean or condescending. We're all buddies, here!

Thank you for reading my rant. ^u^

-Cat

I'm open to any and all suggestions on how to improve player/staff relations. It used to be easier as our old Admins would host games where they'd create a platform in the middle of an ocean and set up anvil fall for anyone who wanted to play. I would totally do that, but I don't have access to those commands. I'm fine with making contests for the players as I used to do that quite frequently, but I can't even think of any ideas for contests anymore. I'm open to ideas if you have any. I could also host drop parties but as I don't play, I don't have many items so I would need donations to be able to do so. Any other ideas and suggestions would be great. I've been trying to think of things to improve staff/player relations for a long time, but either my attempts fail or I can't think of any that would work.

There's a difference between treating a staff poorly because they are staff, and treating a staff poorly because of what they've done to you. There's also a difference between defending a staff and sucking up to them. You don't know a lot about iHank's demotion, or Mackiee's role in it, so it's not your place to say staff are mistreated for no reason.

About the situation in discord, where I said "people like you are why the staff team is corrupt," I meant that players who overwhelmingly, sometimes even blindly, support the staff give the impression that as staff, they can do no wrong. That's where corruption comes into play, as they start to think that the decision is right simply because it was their decision.

I will say I was unkind to you in discord, and I'm sorry for that. Please know, though, the hate wasn't directed at you've applied for staff.

About the "time and effort" deal, you don't know how rare it is to see Jr mod + on Mine Wars. Even aside from Mine Wars, a fair portion of the staff are rarely on the server.

I played an active part in Hank's demotion and I know everything there is about it. You might think "Oh, she's staff so her opinion is obviously biased." but you would be incorrect in doing so. I know a lot of players have infinitely low opinions on staff but unless you're involved or you get to know the staff member you think lowly of, you don't really know. I know for a fact that I am personally not biased. I've had to ban my boyfriend on here before as he started issues that couldn't be handled any other way. It was difficult to do that, but it had to be done. Also, the recruitment team votes on everything we do to ensure that our decisions are completely unbiased. We currently have four Sr. Mods+ and unless someone gets 3/4 votes, their promotion/demotion or even warning isn't issued.

At first I wasn't 100% in favor of Hank's demotion being discussed, however I logged on later that day to see more evidence to vote in favor of his demotion. His demotion was unbiased and completely justified. Furthermore, actions after his demotion have proven that it was the correct decision. I know you may not agree with the situation, but you are his friend and you weren't directly involved in the situation. I don't particularly want to continue this topic on a mostly unrelated thread that was intended to create support for the staff team, not discuss a demotion.

As for your last comment, Jr. Mods+ are generally in vanish when they're online so that they have the availability to catch hackers. Looking at the staff page right now, I only see 3-4 staff members who actively play the server, meaning that the other half the time they are online, they're in vanish doing their job. As for the rest of the Jr. Mods+, they're usually always in vanish so that they have that same availability. This means you'll rarely see them online but it doesn't mean that they aren't. This week the Helper and Jr. Mods alone have managed to be online for 220 hours just this week. What's amazing is the fact that that's considered a low activity week for us and we're generally online for 250+ hours a week. There is also the /staff command that of issued, a staff member will come to your server as soon as possible if there are any online. We've also made it a point to moderate Mine Wars more often, but with some features of admin mode being broken on there it is quite difficult - especially when attempting to catch potential hackers.

 

[Firelillx]

I'm open to any and all suggestions on how to improve player/staff relations. It used to be easier as our old Admins would host games where they'd create a platform in the middle of an ocean and set up anvil fall for anyone who wanted to play. I would totally do that, but I don't have access to those commands. I'm fine with making contests for the players as I used to do that quite frequently, but I can't even think of any ideas for contests anymore. I'm open to ideas if you have any. I could also host drop parties but as I don't play, I don't have many items so I would need donations to be able to do so. Any other ideas and suggestions would be great. I've been trying to think of things to improve staff/player relations for a long time, but either my attempts fail or I can't think of any that would work.




I played an active part in Hank's demotion and I know everything there is about it. You might think "Oh, she's staff so her opinion is obviously biased." but you would be incorrect in doing so. I know a lot of players have infinitely low opinions on staff but unless you're involved or you get to know the staff member you think lowly of, you don't really know. I know for a fact that I am personally not biased. I've had to ban my boyfriend on here before as he started issues that couldn't be handled any other way. It was difficult to do that, but it had to be done. Also, the recruitment team votes on everything we do to ensure that our decisions are completely unbiased. We currently have four Sr. Mods+ and unless someone gets 3/4 votes, their promotion/demotion or even warning isn't issued.

At first I wasn't 100% in favor of Hank's demotion being discussed, however I logged on later that day to see more evidence to vote in favor of his demotion. His demotion was unbiased and completely justified. Furthermore, actions after his demotion have proven that it was the correct decision. I know you may not agree with the situation, but you are his friend and you weren't directly involved in the situation. I don't particularly want to continue this topic on a mostly unrelated thread that was intended to create support for the staff team, not discuss a demotion.

As for your last comment, Jr. Mods+ are generally in vanish when they're online so that they have the availability to catch hackers. Looking at the staff page right now, I only see 3-4 staff members who actively play the server, meaning that the other half the time they are online, they're in vanish doing their job. As for the rest of the Jr. Mods+, they're usually always in vanish so that they have that same availability. This means you'll rarely see them online but it doesn't mean that they aren't. This week the Helper and Jr. Mods alone have managed to be online for 220 hours just this week. What's amazing is the fact that that's considered a low activity week for us and we're generally online for 250+ hours a week. There is also the /staff command that of issued, a staff member will come to your server as soon as possible if there are any online. We've also made it a point to moderate Mine Wars more often, but with some features of admin mode being broken on there it is quite difficult - especially when attempting to catch potential hackers.

You said you wanted suggestions on how to improve player/staff relations. I think it speaks volumes that a helper griefed a bunch of people and upset a bunch of players- leading to players being upset and causing distress and drama around the server. The response from the staff team was to promote that person.

That doesn't help player/staff relations at all. It just makes it seem like staff reward behavior that tears apart the community. Not cool.

 

[UnknownMelody]

You said you wanted suggestions on how to improve player/staff relations. I think it speaks volumes that a helper griefed a bunch of people and upset a bunch of players- leading to players being upset and causing distress and drama around the server. The response from the staff team was to promote that person.

That doesn't help player/staff relations at all. It just makes it seem like staff reward behavior that tears apart the community. Not cool.

The staff member involved in this situation was dealt with accordingly and wasn't let off the hook. However, they were promoted as they have done way more good than bad. They also weren't promoted directly after the issue either and we waited to ensure that type of behavior wouldn't continue. For two months they were out most active Helper and griefing aside, they were a huge help to the community. We've only had one issue with them so far which they were talked to about and it will remain in their record for quite a while. I also want to point out that they've also shown themselves to be a good Jr. Mod since they were promoted. I understand your concerns, but they have been taken into consideration, met and dealt with accordingly. I apologize for any mistakes in this message as I'm currently using my phone to type this. Thank you for understanding.

 

[Wobiee]

You said you wanted suggestions on how to improve player/staff relations. I think it speaks volumes that a helper griefed a bunch of people and upset a bunch of players- leading to players being upset and causing distress and drama around the server. The response from the staff team was to promote that person.

That doesn't help player/staff relations at all. It just makes it seem like staff reward behaviour that tears apart the community. Not cool.

I'm quite aware I stuffed up and abused players trust, definitely not cool. But for me, it has been a learning experience. When I first applied I wasn't sure on how serious I was going to be taking the job, but once I was accepted I've been trying to help the community the best I can and this is the one occasion that I sincerely regret. I've already apologised to the person I had affected and refunded them in an attempt to redeem myself. Although I know a lot of you will take a long time to forgive me, which is completely understandable. All In all, it was a stupid thing for me to do and I got what I had coming to me, I apologised and Im hoping we can put it behind us. ~MythicalWobbley

 

[xHobbes]

The staff member involved in this situation was dealt with accordingly and wasn't let off the hook. However, they were promoted as they have done way more good than bad. They also weren't promoted directly after the issue either and we waited to ensure that type of behavior wouldn't continue. For two months they were out most active Helper and griefing aside, they were a huge help to the community. We've only had one issue with them so far which they were talked to about and it will remain in their record for quite a while. I also want to point out that they've also shown themselves to be a good Jr. Mod since they were promoted. I understand your concerns, but they have been taken into consideration, met and dealt with accordingly. I apologize for any mistakes in this message as I'm currently using my phone to type this. Thank you for understanding.

So you promoted a helper that got exposed for griefing... that's stupid. Him doing "more good than bad" as a reason to keep him is so ridiculously dumb. If I killed everyone living in India but I cured cancer, that would not make me a good person. To be fair, griefing a Minecraft server and killing over a billion people are a bit different, but its the same general idea. If he griefed, he should be banned (I know its not bannable, but it should be.) or at least demoted. Promoting him, especially just after this happened, is the same as rewarding him for griefing. He showed that he is not trustworthy.

The worst part about all of this is that he got promoted after this. I put some of the blame on the higher-ranking staff members for this because there is a vote on whether or not someone will get promoted, so he apparently got the ok from more then half of the staff members.

 

[CravenPython108]

I played an active part in Hank's demotion and I know everything there is about it. You might think "Oh, she's staff so her opinion is obviously biased." but you would be incorrect in doing so. I know a lot of players have infinitely low opinions on staff but unless you're involved or you get to know the staff member you think lowly of, you don't really know. I know for a fact that I am personally not biased. I've had to ban my boyfriend on here before as he started issues that couldn't be handled any other way. It was difficult to do that, but it had to be done. Also, the recruitment team votes on everything we do to ensure that our decisions are completely unbiased. We currently have four Sr. Mods+ and unless someone gets 3/4 votes, their promotion/demotion or even warning isn't issued.

At first I wasn't 100% in favor of Hank's demotion being discussed, however I logged on later that day to see more evidence to vote in favor of his demotion. His demotion was unbiased and completely justified. Furthermore, actions after his demotion have proven that it was the correct decision. I know you may not agree with the situation, but you are his friend and you weren't directly involved in the situation. I don't particularly want to continue this topic on a mostly unrelated thread that was intended to create support for the staff team, not discuss a demotion.

As for your last comment, Jr. Mods+ are generally in vanish when they're online so that they have the availability to catch hackers. Looking at the staff page right now, I only see 3-4 staff members who actively play the server, meaning that the other half the time they are online, they're in vanish doing their job. As for the rest of the Jr. Mods+, they're usually always in vanish so that they have that same availability. This means you'll rarely see them online but it doesn't mean that they aren't. This week the Helper and Jr. Mods alone have managed to be online for 220 hours just this week. What's amazing is the fact that that's considered a low activity week for us and we're generally online for 250+ hours a week. There is also the /staff command that of issued, a staff member will come to your server as soon as possible if there are any online. We've also made it a point to moderate Mine Wars more often, but with some features of admin mode being broken on there it is quite difficult - especially when attempting to catch potential hackers.

My opinion of you isn't just because you're a staff member, there's certain things I've seen about you that I don't care for. I realize y'all do a good bit for the server, but you have made many negative decisions in the past. Additionally, with no one overseeing your decisions over the staff team, there's a fair potential for shady stuff to go on, such as potentially influencing other members of the team to vote as you'd like them too.

Not saying it's true, but there's definitely a chance it could happen.

As for Wobbley being the most active helper, I can definitely say I've seen staff more active than him.

I'm quite aware I stuffed up and abused players trust, definitely not cool. But for me, it has been a learning experience. When I first applied I wasn't sure on how serious I was going to be taking the job, but once I was accepted I've been trying to help the community the best I can and this is the one occasion that I sincerely regret. I've already apologised to the person I had affected and refunded them in an attempt to redeem myself. Although I know a lot of you will take a long time to forgive me, which is completely understandable. All In all, it was a stupid thing for me to do and I got what I had coming to me, I apologized and Im hoping we can put it behind us. ~MythicalWobbley

You griefed four players islands (from what I've heard.) This shows a lot about your maturity, honesty, and respect for players.

Honesty
To get players to add him to their islands, the staff lied about his reasons for asking to be added. That the staff is fully willing to lie to get loot and entertainment is a bad sign, as they might not have a problem lying in other situations either.
Maturity
If someone's idea of a fun time is destroying their island and stealing their items, then how mature can they really be?
Respect to Players
Staff shouldn't have to bow down to players or anything ridiculous, but they should at least have respect to treat them decently in most if not all situations. By destroying someone's crap, you give the impression that you don't care too much about the players.

Saying sorry and giving some stuff back isn't going to make these problems disappear.

 

[Cat_Squirrel_Inc]

My opinion of you isn't just because you're a staff member, there's certain things I've seen about you that I don't care for. I realize y'all do a good bit for the server, but you have made many negative decisions in the past. Additionally, with no one overseeing your decisions over the staff team, there's a fair potential for shady stuff to go on, such as potentially influencing other members of the team to vote as you'd like them too.

Not saying it's true, but there's definitely a chance it could happen.

As for Wobbley being the most active helper, I can definitely say I've seen staff more active than him.


You griefed four players islands (from what I've heard.) This shows a lot about your maturity, honesty, and respect for players.

Honesty
To get players to add him to their islands, the staff lied about his reasons for asking to be added. That the staff is fully willing to lie to get loot and entertainment is a bad sign, as they might not have a problem lying in other situations either.
Maturity
If someone's idea of a fun time is destroying their island and stealing their items, then how mature can they really be?
Respect to Players
Staff shouldn't have to bow down to players or anything ridiculous, but they should at least have respect to treat them decently in most if not all situations. By destroying someone's crap, you give the impression that you don't care too much about the players.

Saying sorry and giving some stuff back isn't going to make these problems disappear.

Why is it that you insist on dwindling on the things that are out your reach. There is nothing you can do about it now. From what I just read from Wobbly, is that he apologized and has refunded everyone. I also know he had received a fair punishment. Just because you didn't know about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I promise you, Wobbly wouldn't have been promoted if there wasn't a good reason for it, other than "more good than bad." Why can't all of you just accept his apology and move on? I get that you won't be able to trust him for awhile, and he realizes that, too. There's just no reason to continue squabbling over a matter that has been decided and most likely won't change. Besides, Wobbly is one of the most friendly staff I've ever met, and he has actually done a lot more than most to fix his problems, rather than complaining about them. I'll bet you if he WAS demoted, he would've been back because how he handles himself. I know for a fact that he doesn't rant on and on in the discord about how stupid everyone is, or that the "staff team is corrupt."

There is a reason for everything, whether you can accept that or not. End of story.

 

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Why is it that you insist on dwindling on the things that are out your reach.

Because the staff team has made poor decisions, and I would like them to realize that.

From what I just read from Wobbly, is that he apologized and has refunded everyone.

That doesn't change the character issues.

I also know he had received a fair punishment.

Do you know that, or assume that? Promoting doesn't count as a punishment.

And I promise you, Wobbly wouldn't have been promoted if there wasn't a good reason for it, other than "more good than bad."

Again, do you know that, or assume that?

Why can't all of you just accept his apology and move on?

If a guy stole someone's car, then returned it with broken windows, the seats ripped up, and the hood dented a week later and said "sorry," how would you respond?

There's just no reason to continue squabbling over a matter that has been decided and most likely won't change.

I'm fairly sure they tried to quiet this down, so it wouldn't be known there was a Jr mod griefer. Maybe if people actually knew that, they would view Wobbley's promotion a bit differently.

Besides, Wobbly is one of the most friendly staff I've ever met.

1. How many staff have you met?
2. Did you know that 2/3rds of the server liked iHank? or that Culpeo_Fox was liked and respected by about 3 quarters of the Mine Wars community? Yet they were still demoted.

and he has actually done a lot more than most to fix his problems, rather than complaining about them.

You don't know iHank's problems with Mackiee or the staff team, so it's not fair to call him out for ranting when you don't know what his problems are.

I'll bet you if he WAS demoted, he would've been back because how he handles himself.

The only way to know for sure would be to demote him.

I know for a fact that he doesn't rant on and on in the discord about how stupid everyone is, or that the "staff team is corrupt."

Were you paying any attention to what we were saying, or did you just assume "haters"?

There is a reason for everything, whether you can accept that or not. End of story.

Was there a reason for Wobbley's promotion and Hank's demotion? Yes. Was it a good reason? That's a separate question.