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    • Unfair Demotion

    Was iHank a good staff?

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    CravenPython108

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    Katitude said:
    I'm sorry if this thread didn't turn out the way you wanted, but hopefully this experience will teach you what happens when the community gets involved. The mature way to handle these things are private messages, not threads. Sometimes in threads I'll see people arguing and going on until they can prove a point, but there is no point to prove. Sometimes people will also try to get a reaction out of everyone so it'll make that person look better and convince people to sway their opinions.

    Threads should be friendly, trying to suggest ideas and feedback on updates or any questions... not this. For demotions, we don't like releasing everything because we've had plenty of experiences with this sort of incident and it never ends well. We also like to discuss things and find a logical perspective as well as thinking "will this person really change, or will it be the same scene every time". You see, I have witnessed hate threads too many times and the title of this thread itself is already a huge indicator that this wasn't supposed to be for support, as the title "Unfair Demotion" is an argumentative statement, and I already knew because you made a thread of hate when Culpeo was demoted. No only that, but just remember that we've literally had players made it very heated and nasty because they were getting involved in their friends situation.

    See, we have made our best changes for the staff team and we have systems that ensure non-biased decisions, and we monitor how Staff are doing their jobs. Something I'm very thankful for, we have staff hosting activités for fun, and from that, it makes the team close and more friendly among each other so we aren't just Staff slaving at the server each day. This is great, and we try to keep the community the same way. I will host random events such as flying with the elytra around the safe zone as a fun thing to reduce tension, and this is only half related but the point is showing you we are all good people and we don't like to stir up a toxic community, especially on the forums.

    I've been Staff for over a year now, and I used to check the forums every five minutes and looking at every thread in my spare time. I've seen how angry people get and I would too be upset if my friend was demoted, especially if they always looked like they did their job well. The thing is, you need to let them handle their situation themselves, even if you want to help, it only does more damage. The community is suggesting you message us privately and stop responding here to keep the peace, and acknowledging the fact that you want to support him, Hank will get that aside from the forums; I'm sure they would message them privately too.

    I'm glad we were able to discuss this - in a way - and I have given you input to help all of you. Hank, I am not happy with the mistakes you have made, but I respect the good moments; you aren't quite cut out for our team, but you may apply in a far bit (many months) and we'll take it from there. To the creator of this thread, I'm trying to tone it down, so if you want to help you friend, I suggest you - telling you - please follow my suggestion.. please do not respond in any negative way.

    Thank you for reading and understanding. ^-^
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    At this point iHank wasn't getting his position back, so there isn't a whole lot more damage that can be done.

    I'm not really sure what to say. You seem determined to demote your best helpers for minor issues when other staff still in the system have done worse. Yes, there was a point to prove in this thread. The point was to show those in the community who enjoyed having him as helper.

    The "community" apparently consists of 1 helper and 1 person who's probably on your side because he applied for staff. If that's all there is to the community, then it's a very small one.

    Why do I keep getting accused of the thread enderbiscuit made? Yes, I was on Culpeo's side, but I'm fairly certain I didn't give you the amount of hate implied, unless asking if you have something to hide is considered hate.

    If you need to demote someone, demote Mackiee for false banning Uac.
    https://havocmc.net/threads/jade-recruitment-thread-former-myth-team.4288/#post-34788

    If the staff team is going to remove some of their best members, then there really isn't any point to keep playing on the server, or be on the forums. I'll end up being called immature for standing up for my friends, and being threatened because I had arguments with Sr mods.

    Goodbye havoc. I wont be coming back.
     
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    CravenPython108 said:
    If you'd like to know, sr mods cant give a reason for his demotion in PMs either.
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    Well, they always don't have to tell the reason why, but it is still pointless to argue. iHank made a mistake and he has to take the consequences. I suggest we don't talk about this anymore.
     
    Katitude

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    You made a thread about iHank, no need to drag other staff members into this. Please, and thank you ^-^
     
    DDENGAR

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    @CravenPython108 this might happen to you as far as I can see the route you are currently going to...you might be banned from forums, Just like @EmiliaWu(none of y'all knew that right?) As your evidence given from your various sources, my conclusion is that the staff team(regarding the great build team and @Kyritic) is not as transparent and want to keep certain information away from the increasingly smaller community which many players as far as I know have either quit or taking a "long" break from HavocMC.
    TMD-1 is currently filled with more toxic and egotistic "gamers" which longtime loyal players consistently cope with. By all means the Update was not a failure to me(few bugs and lag, only discomforts) but the playerbase has decreased by almost ~200 players after the new build from the build team... I also need to personally have to add this to I guess "stir up the ****ing drama for the community" as some might say: @Rejante had his fifth build application denied by the build team... I don't know any other details but as far as I know he doesn't need to contribute no more since his efforts are unneeded(he has destiny builds to attend to;))
    I probably will be less active on TMD due to the sickening rest of the playerbase and also because I bought 7DaystoDie to play with MuffinMyth...
    The Update was the Great Fix, and I hope more and more MC players will join this sadly decreasing not so great anymore community...

    PS: @SomeDumbCat how is Em
     
    SummonersJhift

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    First people quit, then people raged on here, and now finally to end our show iHonk gets demoted and people throw themselves on the floor about it.

    In all honesty I have so much respect for iHonk, but I also have a lot of respect for the staff. They in the end had to make this choice, according to us it may not be the right one. We don't know the inner workings of havoc, we probably never will. Unless you become staff. So for right now, we all stand and listen I'm sad iHonk had to go. He helped me so much with my helper application, after I got denied he walked me through the whole thing and helped me prepare for the next submission. At that point I had given up on trying to be staff, but he was there to help.

    Despite all of this, there was issues (as peach, katitude, and the rest of higher staff stated).

    Though it may not have been what you might've done, it's what they did because of problems behind the scenes.

    You don't have to respect the staff's decision, but at least understand it.
     
    KyronicGaming

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    I have been taking a break from Havoc but have been aware of this whole situation start to finish. I firstly became very defensive towards iHank as I know he was on everyday grinding and doing the best he can. I then spoke to Peach after trying to get a public response and although he didnt give the details of the situation to me, I started to see why he did it although I didnt agree. Look at the vote poll's, go on. Many of the staff team are split along with the players too. What does this tell us? About 60% of the people thought he was amazing and 40% thought he wasn't. That's a opinion but this is fact, iHank was on pretty much everyday grinding trying to make the server a better place and taking all the hate due to the fact he has not got the ability to /vanish. The server is split. So how do we fix this? Well I appreciate that you have made some awesome decisions for us, I cant help but feel that in particular situation It was a little bit of a dictatorship. So I recon we take on many country's justice system. We need a Jury. A jury consisting of people from different aspects in the game with different views to come to a fair decision. The info need to then be made public without the consent of the person in question unless they have quit themselves. Why? well if there is nothing to hide why hide it? Its stops situations like this and can be instantly shut down with 'here is why we came to the decision' If you doing it for us then trust us to play a part in making the right decision. There is a reason why courts do this in real life, imagine the out rage if a case came along that was so big and so bad and which directly affected us and we could not play a part or simply look into the evidence of why or how that person was either convicted or let go. Sr Mods you have made some great decisions for us, but the staff team is too small to have a fair decision, but doing this is nothing but good and would also take some of the heat away for making a 'bad decision'. There is a lot to be discussed, like when do we draw the line between the staff making a decision and for us to play a part? Obviously hackers should be banned straight away no exception, but when the reason is because of a opinion, although it might be the one most have, as long as they are respectful and thoughtful, everyone should have there views expressed before making a decision. ​
     
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    Kyritic said:
    I have been taking a break from Havoc but have been aware of this whole situation start to finish. I firstly became very defensive towards iHank as I know he was on everyday grinding and doing the best he can. I then spoke to Peach after trying to get a public response and although he didnt give the details of the situation to me, I started to see why he did it although I didnt agree. Look at the vote poll's, go on. Many of the staff team are split along with the players too. What does this tell us? About 60% of the people thought he was amazing and 40% thought he wasn't. That's a opinion but this is fact, iHank was on pretty much everyday grinding trying to make the server a better place and taking all the hate due to the fact he has not got the ability to /vanish. The server is split. So how do we fix this? Well I appreciate that you have made some awesome decisions for us, I cant help but feel that in particular situation It was a little bit of a dictatorship. So I recon we take on many country's justice system. We need a Jury. A jury consisting of people from different aspects in the game with different views to come to a fair decision. The info need to then be made public without the consent of the person in question unless they have quit themselves. Why? well if there is nothing to hide why hide it? Its stops situations like this and can be instantly shut down with 'here is why we came to the decision' If you doing it for us then trust us to play a part in making the right decision. There is a reason why courts do this in real life, imagine the out rage if a case came along that was so big and so bad and which directly affected us and we could not play a part or simply look into the evidence of why or how that person was either convicted or let go. Sr Mods you have made some great decisions for us, but the staff team is too small to have a fair decision, but doing this is nothing but good and would also take some of the heat away for making a 'bad decision'. There is a lot to be discussed, like when do we draw the line between the staff making a decision and for us to play a part? Obviously hackers should be banned straight away no exception, but when the reason is because of a opinion, although it might be the one most have, as long as they are respectful and thoughtful, everyone should have there views expressed before making a decision.
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    First off I want to acknowledge that you know iHank was a good person (he was, his heart was just in the wrong place). Regarding yourself messaging Peach, he had no right to tell you and he was not in anyway not telling you because he didn't want to. As far as Im concerned Peach has done the right thing and should not be receiving any hate for it. As I stated earlier there is a privacy policy protecting our demoted staff members which is why Peach is not allowed to release reasons for any demoted staff members demotion. As for the poll, it was all opinion and I can say myself that iHank was a great person but just not in the way that he would fit into the staff team. As for the fact that iHank had not received Jr. Mod yet it was a decision that was to be made by the Sr. Mods and the Admin. They did take into consideration the time that iHank had spent moderating on Havoc and it did play a big part in the way they thought about him although the time and intent of the staff member doesn't always mean everything in the world of promotions. And as for your opinion on the staff team being a dictatorship, I understand how you may see it that way as it is a small team making very big decisions but it really doesn't work like that. All staff are level headed (a redeeming quality for being a staff member) and always balance the situation out and look at both sides of the situation. The senior staff team then level it out and see what side out weighs what. As much as it may seem they make blind decisions they really don't and I hope that you can understand that. I'd also like to address your suggestion of a Jury. This wouldn't work and isn't needed. I know I probably sound arrogant when I say this but it is true. The Senior Staff team may be small but they do weigh out their decisions well as I stated before. Making everything public would basically mean the whole server is a staff team, and we cannot have that. As for your 'if you have nothing to hide, why hide it' argument, the staff team need a certain degree of privacy so they can make their decisions without the blind rage that most players will give. Opening it up to the community will make decisions unfair as the Sr. Mods will have even more pressure from the community to make a 'good' decision that fits in with what the community wants. As for drawing the line between staff making a decision and you guys playing a part I believe it is fine. The senior staff are and should remain to be the only players with enough authority to make a final decision. Input on how staff members are going is welcome but demotions are up to them. Also as a quick note, I do agree with the hackers should be banned straight away. As a final note the staff team have their reasons and we are not as bad as we may seem. Even in the worst of times the staff team are doing their best to sort it all out and I will vouch for the senior staff team when I say that they are making the most reasonable decisions possible. As usual if you have any questions about this or anything else feel free to message me or another staff member. ~MythicalWobbley
     
    CravenPython108

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    @Katitude The part about how the title made this a hate speech isn't necessarily true. It could be "this was an unfair demotion, and the staff team is evil" OR "this was an unfair demotion, show your support.

    It was the second one.

    @DDENGAR I think they're gonna want a better reason than this to forums ban me, but if they did, chances are none of you would find out, which isn't a great thought.

    @MythicalWobbley By this point I've seen dozens of posts saying how great the staff team is. This one really isn't that different.

    @RoccoGotMemes Thanks for making me axis. Seriously though, don't paint me to be the bad guy or against the server and "supporting players," because you know I'm not.

    As for @Kyritic 's suggestion of a jury, I don't think that would be a great idea. What is needed is input from the community as a whole for these decisions, not just Sr staff.
     
    KyronicGaming

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    CravenPython108 said:
    @Katitude The part about how the title made this a hate speech isn't necessarily true. It could be "this was an unfair demotion, and the staff team is evil" OR "this was an unfair demotion, show your support.

    It was the second one.

    @DDENGAR I think they're gonna want a better reason than this to forums ban me, but if they did, chances are none of you would find out, which isn't a great thought.

    @MythicalWobbley By this point I've seen dozens of posts saying how great the staff team is. This one really isn't that different.

    @RoccoGotMemes Thanks for making me axis. Seriously though, don't paint me to be the bad guy or against the server and "supporting players," because you know I'm not.

    As for @Kyritic 's suggestion of a jury, I don't think that would be a great idea. What is needed is input from the community as a whole for these decisions, not just Sr staff.
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    I don't think you read my suggestion properly, that's legit what I just said.
     
    Draw4

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    It's fun to read about drama! (ihank can also reapply in future don't make it a big deal.)
     
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